In this episode of the Intentional Evolution Podcast, host Vision Battlesword welcomes spiritual practitioner Tianna Roser for a deep dive into the concept of transformation. The conversation opens by exploring the meaning of intentional evolution, distinguishing it from transformation: evolution implies positive progression and can be accidental, while transformation is simply a drastic change—often perceived as positive, but technically neutral in nature.

They discuss the role of personal and divine will, desire as the motivating force behind evolution and creativity, and how intentionality shifts us from passively experiencing change to consciously co-creating it. Integral theory (Ken Wilber) and the philosophical ideas of Rabbi Mark Gaffney provide a backdrop for discussing desire, attachment, and spiritual paradoxes (feminine/masculine, left/right brain).

The pair unpack the definition of transformation, using metaphors like metamorphosis and state changes in physics, and reflect on whether transformations are permanent or can reverse—especially in contexts of addiction, psychological patterns, and spiritual growth.

Tianna shares insights from her work in soul plan readings and astrology (the significance of the North Node), illustrating how understanding one's unique life lesson can empower transformation. The podcast covers collective and individual shifts, current societal upheaval, politics, and the Age of Aquarius as a time of accelerated change—touching on both the potential and the dangers of technological advancement.

Finally, Tianna advocates for joyful, frequency-based transformation and emphasizes grounding, inner truth, and spiritual alignment as guides through this period of global and personal change.

Show Notes

Chapters

• 00:00— Opener & Divine Timing: Introducing Transformation
• 01:26— What is Intentional Evolution? Divine Spark & Conscious Creation
• 03:52— Eros, Desire & The Energetics of Manifestation
• 07:15— Divine Will vs. Personal Will: Paradox, Desire, and Non-Attachment
• 13:07— Attachment, Buddhism & The Nuances of Desire
• 17:41— Soul Plans, Free Will & The Rollercoaster Metaphor
• 20:00— What is Transformation? Change, Metamorphosis, & Cultural Evolution
• 24:03— Transformation vs. Evolution: Drastic Change, Incremental Growth
• 28:23— Is Transformation Permanent? Reverse Transformation, Frequency & Habits
• 33:40— Energetic Shifts: Reiki, Frequency, and Resonance
• 41:01— Change of Kind: Psychological vs. Physical Transformation
• 44:09— Soul Plan Readings, North Node, and Astrological Archetypes
• 49:24— Is Transformation Part of Our Soul Plan?
• 51:38— The Current Era: Global Transformation & The Age of Aquarius
• 56:23— Shadow of Aquarius: Technology, Humanity, & Reckless Progress
• 60:17— Collective Consciousness, Personal Empowerment, and Paradigm Shifts
• 68:12— Cyclical Change, Astrological Ages, and Historical Patterns
• 73:07— Pisces, Victim Consciousness & A New Age
• 77:22— Rapid Change: Uranus in Gemini & Explosive Innovation
• 79:43— Words of Wisdom for Navigating Transformation
• 82:23— Transformation Through Frequency, Joy, and Play
• 85:56— Closing Thoughts, How to Connect

[00:00:00] Vision Battlesword: Hello, welcome to the Intentional Evolution Podcast. I am your host, Vision Battlesword, Integral Consultant and founder of iEvolve Life, a personal and professional development practice based on the philosophy of Intentional Evolution. This podcast is an ongoing conversation to explore that philosophy as well as to serve as a resource, a showcase, and a catalyst for ongoing growth toward the human singularity- that is to say, mass awakening of new consciousness, super intelligence and radical creative flourishing. Each episode, I'll feature a world class transformational facilitator, co-creator or friend, to reveal cutting edge psychospiritual technology, unpack our deepest wisdom and evolve our awareness. This series is based on value for value, so whatever value you receive from these transmissions, please return some value back in the form of a donation, directly supporting our contributors or offering your own time and talent as a producer. Thanks for joining me in this journey, and now here's our episode.

Thanks so much for joining me today, Tianna, it's really nice to talk to you. You brought a really interesting topic that , when we were kind of chatting back and forth, setting up this recording. I realized, like it's strange that I've been doing these conversations for, I dunno, almost two years now, and it's still not gotten around to this particular topic, which is like one you would think I would have explored with someone long before now, but I think it was just waiting for you because it's a topic that's so close to like your heart and so much that you do.

[00:01:40] Tianna Roser: I was gonna say divine timing because you hadn't met me two years ago, so, yeah, that's right.

[00:01:45] Vision Battlesword: That's right. Yeah. So the topic of the day is transformation, which is completely on topic for this entire mission of Intentional Evolution, and it's also like deeply meaningful to both of us in the work that we do in life.

[00:02:02] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[00:02:04] Vision Battlesword: As usual, my first question is, who are you? Tianna Roser?

[00:02:07] Tianna Roser: The classic answer would be I am, which is the you know, the most accurate answer, but I wanna have more fun with it. I am a spark of the divine oneness, discovering itself.

[00:02:25] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Aren't we all?

[00:02:27] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm. Exactly. We all are. Yeah.

[00:02:30] Vision Battlesword: Beautiful. Well, what does Intentional Evolution mean to you?

[00:02:34] Tianna Roser: Yeah, I love that name. I hadn't already had awakening transformation for my business. I love Intentional Evolution. Nice. Um, both of this. Yeah. I, I definitely, I was thinking about this as far as with transformation, how, oh, you know, what's the difference between transformation and growth or transformation and evolution.

Mm-hmm. Right. Where evolution, I feel it's about becoming better in some way. Moving in a positive progression.

[00:03:04] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

[00:03:04] Tianna Roser: Uh, where transformation doesn't have to be anyway, Intentional Evolution. Yeah. I feel that, at least for me. I can't speak for everyone, but I, I maybe, well, I do feel like it's sort of the soul's natural inclination to wanna grow and evolve and that here on earth as human beings, um, there's that part of ourself, there's part, I guess I, um, thinking about it, I guess it's maybe part of the divine spark of all things, right?

Plants and animals and whatnot to evolve. But the intentional part, that's why that is an important qualifier on there because Intentional Evolution is for me about being a conscious creator.

[00:03:53] Vision Battlesword: Yeah.

[00:03:53] Tianna Roser: And that's where that's really exciting versus just. Feeling like it's happening to you to be the one mindfully creating it.

[00:04:04] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That resonates for me as well with what I mean by it and what I think about when I use that phrase. I wanna come back in a moment. You mentioned the distinction you were making between evolution and transformation. Mm-hmm. And how one of them feels like it maybe has an inherent positive association versus one feels more neutral.

And I, that's really interesting to me, especially kinda like as we're just opening up or jumping into transformation and what is that and what is that all about? But first I just want to kind of resonate with you on what you said about Intentional Evolution. To me, it feels like the universe itself is an inherently evolutionary.

Process an inherently evolutionary experience. I've been thinking about it a lot over these past couple of years in terms that I kind of picked up from a guy named Rabbi Marc Gafni. Have you heard of him before?

[00:04:58] Tianna Roser: No.

[00:04:59] Vision Battlesword: And it also for me goes back to some material that I've been studying for over a decade, which is Integral Theory by Ken Wilber.

Have you, are you familiar with that?

[00:05:08] Tianna Roser: Only the little bit that you mentioned to me before. Oh, okay. I mean, I'm, I've, and I'm, I know of Ken Wilber, but, but I haven't read his material.

[00:05:16] Vision Battlesword: Got it. Okay. Well, anyway, so Marc Gafni kind of picks up from Ken Wilber and seems to be almost expanding on those frameworks of Integral Theory, which to me are like incredibly fascinating and they're incredibly complex and there's just this, so much richness to that entire philosophy and body of wisdom.

But what Marc Gafni kind of adds to the picture for me is this idea of Eros. Being the like generative motivating energy of all of creation and Eros, it is erotic. It is creative energy. You know, we think about the sacral energy being a creative energy, but it's also just like a motivation. It's like, to me Eros is almost synonymous with Desire.

[00:06:03] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[00:06:03] Vision Battlesword: And that's kind of been a big part of my framework of manifestation and transformation and growth over the past several years, is this idea that like everything starts with a spark of a desire. And that's the energy that sets a creative process in motion.

And so I sort of think of the entire universe as that evolving, unfolding flower like a, like an infinitely petaled lotus that's just unfolding and unfolding and unfolding from within, coming from that underlying Desire, which is the motivation. And like you said, each of us in our divine spark. Being the acting out of some perfectly unique once in an entire universe.

[00:06:46] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[00:06:47] Vision Battlesword: Version or perspective of that motivating energy. But then the way I kind of imagine it is, and, and this sort of goes back to I think what we're taught in school, that there's this sort of like accidental or random nature

[00:07:02] Tianna Roser: mm-hmm.

[00:07:02] Vision Battlesword: To evolution.

[00:07:03] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[00:07:03] Vision Battlesword: At least that's how we're taught it in sort of the western, you know, schooling and kind of scientific materialism frame, that it's just in the beginning there is a big bang and then it's just atoms and molecules bumping into each other ever since then. And there does seem to be some kind of tendency toward increasing complexity or sophistication of the way this matter can group together into systems and then even pick itself up and move around on its own.

And then we call it life. And then maybe it starts even having an awareness of its environment and then we call it conscious. But it's all sort of like accidental. It's all just sort of happening to us. And so in my mind, what Intentional Evolution really means is that maybe divine or maybe special moment when it stops happening by accident.

And it starts happening on purpose. Like when we actually become aware, not just of ourselves, not just of the environment, but become aware of this evolutionary process of the entire universe experiencing itself. And then we begin to like become self-directed in how we want that evolution to unfold.

Does that make sense?

[00:08:18] Tianna Roser: Yeah, that makes sense. And it was making me think of, it's interesting sort of the paradox a lot of, in a lot of these things that you were saying as far as like, first the desire, which I also in this lifetime, I feel that that is my path, is to be on a, I am very spiritually oriented person following my higher self desire.

But there's other paths, right, that are about, release all desire. Mm-hmm. And that's another valid path. Mm-hmm. And they seem to contradict each other and yet they're both valid paths. And I feel the desire path is the feminine and the no desire path is the masculine. And they're both, valid paths.

And also when I think of some of the, religions that don't have a feminine component. It never makes sense to me as far as, like you said, it's all a creation needs these two sides, the masculine and feminine to come together to birth or create. And so it's never made sense to me like how there can be creation without both the masculine and feminine.

[00:09:23] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

[00:09:24] Tianna Roser: But then another thing that you were talking about as far as becoming conscious, intentionally evolving is one of the things that I always struggle with, I think I dance with as far as tuning into, we have our personal desire and, you know, divine will and personal will and you know, are they always aligned?

And if they're not aligned, is it, you know, um, are we here to just follow our personal will, our personal desire? You know, where, where does that deviate with a bigger, greater desire? And how do those interact? I think that this goes back again to sort of this masculine and feminine aspects of ourself, right?

Not like a man and a woman, but like the left brain analytical, uh, focused, active aspect of ourself, and then the right brain receptive, you know, presence, uh, beingness of ourself and yeah, I think it's just. It's a delicate dance, right? Sometimes I think that I am, uh, intentionally evolving or being a conscious creator and it's not working, per se.

And sometimes that might be because it's not fully in alignment with the greater divine will. And you know, how, what are your thoughts on that?

[00:10:51] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. My first thought is I am loving this conversation already. This is awesome. I've got so many thoughts. You, you, you dropped so many, like juicy nuggets to explore there.

I wanna make, I want to try not to forget any of them, but the first thing, well, so I, I want to drop a pin in something you said, which is you were talking about divine will, divine will and personal will.

[00:11:16] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[00:11:16] Vision Battlesword: And then relating that back to desire. The first pin I want to drop is wondering if those are actually the same thing or if they're different things.

If the will and the desire are two different things, because I kind of think of them as, as two different things. And then the, you, you kind of like threw out several dichotomies or like possible contradictions. So is there a contradiction between the divine will and our personal will? And my answer would be I don't, I don't think so.

Like my answer would be no. I think, and again, this, this also goes back to this, um, what's called the Evolutionary Unique Self structure that I, again, learned from this Rabbi Marc Gafni. But the idea is essentially. Our personal will is the divine will. Our personal will is actually, or personal desire, Eros like I think we can play with the words and see which is relevant, you know, in different situations.

But our unique spark is necessary for the divine, for the universal, for the God consciousness to have its experience of Intentional Evolution. In other words, like we provide an essential ingredient, which is that unique perspective the answer to the question, what now? Which direction should we go?

Should we go left? Should we go right up down? That's the, the delightful surprise that God consciousness gets to experience when we exercise our personal will to choose, okay, yes, this, the next petal opens here, or the next petal opens here. So that's kind of how I think of that. And you also mentioned the contradiction or the apparent contradiction between sort of spirituality, uh, systems of spirituality that seem to utilize the underlying concept of desire and honor it in kind of the way that I'm expressing now versus other systems of spirituality.

Like for example, we might think of Buddhism that seem to suggest that desire is actually, uh, like the enemy of happiness. Mm-hmm. In a way or, or like the, the source of all suffering. I thought that for a while, for a long time, and recently though I've been coming to think that's a misunderstanding. I've been coming to think that that's just kind of like a semantic accident or mistake, where the way that I understand it now is that what Buddhism is saying is not that we should eliminate desire.

Which again, to me now means the motivating energy of the universe, but what Buddhism is suggesting is that we can release attachment.

[00:14:08] Tianna Roser: It's exactly what I was thinking.

[00:14:10] Vision Battlesword: Yeah.

[00:14:10] Tianna Roser: I was like, it's the attachment to the desire. Yeah. Can I go back to what

[00:14:14] Vision Battlesword: Yeah.

[00:14:14] Tianna Roser: What you said before, because Yeah. I like what you said about our, our personal will being the same as the, uh, divine will in that. Again, to me it's still that paradox where like, everything is perfect right now as it is. And we might prefer that there's no war and there could be a better version of it, right? So like the divine will of course, like is free will that we all can choose whatever. And that is perfect in itself. And when I say the divine will, I guess my perspective is sort of that, think of like those like Russian dolls.

There's like, you know, me as Tianna self and then there's like my higher self soul and then there's greater I am presence and whatever going on, you know? Anyway, so versus like me, Tianna personality, maybe Tianna higher self came in this lifetime with a plan. A bit of a plan. And Tianna personality might be choosing a different, you know, way.

And it's not that it's wrong, I don't believe in that kind of judgment. However, if I align my Tianna personal will more aligned with a higher will, whether it's Tianna Soul will, or even higher than that, I will have a smoother ride and a more enjoyable experience. And when the more I'm deviating from that, the more likely that I will not have as smooth or enjoyable of a ride.

I guess that's more that it's good that you're, as you were saying, that, I was clarifying that for myself. That's really what I mean. Yeah. And I don't, I personally don't believe in, you know, sin, judgment hell or anything like that. So nothing is going to happen to us, uh, when we die if we, you know, make really.

Poor choices. If whatever that means, that's a judgment as well. But, uh, you know, if we deviate further from, you know, a higher will. But yeah, I just think of all of that that's like, you know, that's more like what I call karma. Well, gosh, there's so many things that we could, karma to me is also just energy that I'm learning from.

That's my definition of karma as well. So it's not like this whole judgment system.

[00:16:33] Vision Battlesword: I really want to dig into this specific piece with you that you're talking about this idea of a soul plan, because I know that's one of your areas of expertise and it's like, it's an area that I'm very underdeveloped in and at least in terms of like my own self-education.

So I really want to dig into that. And I, I also, I like, I want to see how that's connected to this whole concept of transformation. We're here to explore. And I think we've set like a lot of really interesting kind of puzzle pieces on the table or, or tinker toys, if you will, with this whole idea of evolution and desire.

Attachment will, and then this, this all kind of comes back full circle to this idea of the soul plan and the way you're describing it too, it's like, it makes sense to me. I, I sometimes I think of, uh, things in terms of like a roller coaster, like amusement park analogy where, tell me if this, this resonates for what you're trying to explain, but like, the way I kind of imagine is like we came into this life going to an amusement park.

We decided to get on the rollercoaster and we can get on the rollercoaster and we can white knuckle it and we can be terrified of what's over every hill or around every turn. We can scream and yell and wish we'd never gotten on and, and wish we could get off. But frankly, we're strapped in. We're not going anywhere and we're along for the ride.

And so it's sort of like having more of an awareness of your soul plan or the idea of having a smoother ride is just sort of having the realization that, okay, I came in here for some reason. Maybe it was to have fun. Maybe it was to receive a thrill. Maybe it was to get an adrenaline rush. Whatever that reason is I got on this rollercoaster, I might as well at least try to enjoy it, right?

I might as well at least like go with the flow. Like, okay, well, it's like the harness is in. I'm not getting out, so what should I do? Should I put my hands up? Should I open my eyes? Should I scream and yell and hoop and holler? But in a, you know, in a thrilling way, what's the, what's the best way for me to.

Resonate with this experience that I'm having because I'm gonna be having it one way or the other. Is that kind of the way you think of it?

[00:18:42] Tianna Roser: Yes. However, and I, you know, and I like certain aspects of the metaphor and certain aspects don't work because when I think of a rollercoaster, it's just got this set track.

Yeah. Right. And there's no, you know, real options to deviate from that set track. That's true. And I True. I don't think that, uh, our lives are like that at, at all. Okay. It'd be like, if there were like all these different tracks and you could choose to go left or to go right, or, you know, to stay on the flats or to go up on the high, there needs to be a little bit more, uh, choice versus, you know.

[00:19:11] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, that's a good point. 'cause yeah, you're right. The rollercoaster analogy would be very fatalistic as if it's all. Predetermined. Yeah. But that's not the way you think of it at all. No. We've got a lot of mm-hmm. Free will in this life. Yeah.

[00:19:22] Tianna Roser: Like, like, yeah. Maybe I'm like at the amusement park and I am gonna be there for a certain amount of time, but there's all sorts of different things I could do at the amusement park.

Right. Uhhuh. And there's different rides or different activities. Um, but I am at the amusement park. My mom's not coming back to pick me up for four hours. Right. Or whatever. I'm there for the time and, and I, you know, what I do with that time and if I enjoy it or if I, you know, eat too much cotton candy and get really sick on the, you know, whatever, like all of that, you know, it, everything that I choose sort of has some sort of experience that I may or may not prefer.

Some of those are gonna be more suited to me, some aren't. I might naturally be. Drawn to certain ones and you know, my soul knew that like going to this particular amusement park mm-hmm. That probably I'm gonna, you know, but there are other options there that I could choose and, and I might even choose those other options even though my soul was hoping I was gonna go on this ride or something like that.

[00:20:22] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Okay. Got it. Well, how about, I think we, we've gone a certain distance in this conversation, probably now would be a good time at least to ask a fairly critical question, which is what is transformation? And I, and I still want to come back around to that pin that I dropped in evolution versus transformation.

Mm-hmm. And is one, are they both neutral or is one, does one feel like it has an inherently positive slant to it? Because I, the way you expressed it earlier was different than the way I think I have been thinking about it previously, but open-ended question to you, what, what is transformation?

[00:21:00] Tianna Roser: Well, I had to look, I mean, I had to look it up in the dictionary, Uhhuh myself, just to see.

I was like, well, what is the official, you know, definition because

[00:21:08] Vision Battlesword: what did it say?

[00:21:09] Tianna Roser: It all? It said, well, I mean, of course I'm sure there's, there's more variations, there's something about, something about hair, something. Anyway, um, obviously that's not the one reason,

[00:21:17] Vision Battlesword: that's fascinating.

[00:21:18] Tianna Roser: It said basically a drastic change in form or appearance, which was really interesting to me because, to actually, going back to what you're saying about, um, inherently positive, I do feel the word transformation the way that it's used.

We use it as a society really generally to mean something positive. And even, you know, when I chose that as part of my business name, awakening Transformation, it really was thinking of a positive major change. But it is interesting to look at the definition. It just says a drastic change. When you say change.

Would you like to invite some change into your life? Some people have a really negative response, some people don't want change. But when you say transformation, people tend to think of it positively. Right. It's when it's really just like a, a dramatic change. Right. Which is interesting.

[00:22:12] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, I agree. And it seems like it's something that a lot of people are seeking.

Mm-hmm. Right? It's like, oh, I'm, I'm seeking to transform. Or we use it even to represent like a group or a culture, like, oh, this is the transformational people. And I think there can be something that makes sense. If we are in the process of a transformation, culturally speaking, or like as a society, let's say, or, or civilization is going through a dramatic, drastic change, then it would make sense that there could be some people who are working to further that change.

And maybe some people who are. Let's say seeking to hold, hold onto old traditions and are not transformational in that way. Here's what the Oxford English dictionary says for transformation, and I noticed you used the word drastic and this doesn't say that. Oh, it just says the action of changing, inform shape or appearance.

IE metamorphosis. Which is,

[00:23:13] Tianna Roser: I, I like that word too, metamorphosis. It's, it's a longer word, but, uh, I like it.

[00:23:18] Vision Battlesword: Well, we use, well, I think we use that metaphor a lot to talk about transformation, like when we mm-hmm. We reflected back to the classic metamorphosis of the caterpillar to the butterfly. Right.

[00:23:29] Tianna Roser: I think, again, it's interesting that our common usage of transformation, like I said, tends to be positive.

So talking about society. If, I mean, I'm not, I'm not gonna go into specific politics, but let's just say right, we have, when we have a change from one side to the other side, right. And it might make a big change. And I think people that are in favor of who, you know, the new president, you know, whenever that is or, or the new administration or whatever, might say, oh, it, you know, it's a transformation.

But I think that the people who are against it won't say transformation. Mm-hmm. Because we have an inherent kind of, uh, feeling that transformation is positive. Well, it's really what you're saying from there, at least from the dictionary, is just a change of form.

Mm-hmm.

The word transformation in our usage tends to be positive.

And I think oftentimes, or the reason why I chose it as part of my business name is that when people intentionally are choosing mm-hmm. It. Then it's a very powerful word.

[00:24:37] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Here's another definition. It says a complete change in character or condition. Mm-hmm. And that makes sense to me. Mm-hmm.

In terms of like the kind of personal transformations that many times we can be seeking when we go to ceremony, when we go to facilitation. And I think that's how a lot of people would think about it, is changing their character or changing their condition. For the better. For the better typically. Right.

Doesn't say. Right, because it could,

[00:25:06] Tianna Roser: it could be think of pretty much any like superhero villain or like Anakin Skywalker had a transformation into Darth Vader, but we don't usually think like that. Right? We don't usually think from a more positive to a negative, but that that is a transformation. You had a complete change of form or character.

[00:25:27] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm. Here's some interesting ones. From physics. Change of form. Of a substance from solid to liquid or from liquid to gas. Change of energy from one form into another. Change of a current, into one of different potential or different type or both.

[00:25:44] Tianna Roser: I love that word. Potential.

[00:25:45] Vision Battlesword: Yeah.

[00:25:46] Tianna Roser: I think going back to being a divine spark and how the divine, it's constantly.

Moving, or you could say spirit or the divine, uh, is the unchanging, unchangeable, and yet ever changing in its expression. And so I think that when our experience is unchanging for too long, we, if we feel stagnant or stuck and we, we seek change, uh, we just inherently we want this change to feel like we're progressing.

And so people come to me or come to you when they wanna transformation 'cause they feel stuck in some way.

[00:26:35] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, that's, I like, I like that you brought it to that because it's so, so what's coming to me is when I start to think about the difference between transformation and evolution, they both are inherently about change.

That's kind of the core of both of those concepts. But, and you initially used the word drastic, which may have come up in the dictionary that you were looking at. Yeah. I think that seems to be the key. When we think of evolution, we think of it as being more slow and incremental. But when we think of transformation, we may think of it as being more sudden and dramatic.

Mm-hmm. Like, yeah, when I, if I'm seeking a transformation, I'm looking to have a large change quickly. But in general, evolution and transformation, any type of change is inherently neutral. Like it can go in any, in any direction. We would of course, prefer that it go in a positive direction. And for some reason, we tend to automatically think of it that way.

[00:27:30] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I love that you just said that about slow or the rapid because it's, transformation feels exciting. Mm-hmm. Right. Whereas evolution, yes. I, I am seeking evolution, but I feel like, like watching a plant grow, I, I don't know if I have the patience, you know, to sit there and watch it. And so I think of our evolution like that.

Yes, I am, I feel I'm a very different person than I was when I was 15 or something like that, but man, just to like sit through and watch a reel of my life and watch all how that, all that changes happen, that, that, you know, it's fun to get the, the boom, the wow, the quick shift.

[00:28:15] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, and it's a change like in kind, it's from one thing into an entirely different type of thing.

Like when you look at some of those, those dictionary definitions of like a state change of matter from liquid to solid is like wildly different materials. Even though, well, in this case of physics, it could be the exact same element, but it's like it's a transformation in that way. Whereas if we think of evolution, we think of something that is changing potentially in a very minute way that might be almost undetectable except for over very long periods of time.

That's kind of interesting.

[00:28:53] Tianna Roser: Yeah. And, and at least transformation. It feels at least more stable than change. But I'm curious, like, I was just thinking about this like. You know, because if you think of like the caterpillar becoming the butterfly, it can't go back to being the caterpillar. But when I think of transformation, I'm just, I haven't really thought of like, oh, could I make a transformation and then could I transform back?

Or would it always be something different if I tried to transform back? What are your thoughts on it? That's a

[00:29:23] Vision Battlesword: great, yeah, that's a great question. What do you think, have you ever experienced a reverse transformation,

[00:29:30] Tianna Roser: a reverse transformation,

[00:29:34] Vision Battlesword: like an UN transformation?

[00:29:35] Tianna Roser: Not off the top of my head. I'll sit with that a bit, but I mean, are you, not with myself,

[00:29:43] Vision Battlesword: Uhhuh,

[00:29:44] Tianna Roser: but I feel I'm, I'm very driven to grow forward, to keep evolving and expanding.

But what would you think people that have habits or addictions. If they go from being an addict and then they go clean and sober, is that a transformation? And then if they go back, is that a transformation?

[00:30:06] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, that's, that's where my mind was going also. That's, that's what I was thinking is there could be something that feels different from a psychological transformation, or at least in terms of the possibility of having a reverse transformation versus, uh, some way that we change physically, change our physical form, transform in that way transform

[00:30:31] Tianna Roser: mm-hmm.

[00:30:32] Vision Battlesword: In that way, and it, it being impossible to go back, but with habits or things that only occur in our psychology, there's something ephemeral about them. There's something that's like almost inherently mutable. Or changeable where Yeah, of course. I, I have, I'm sure you have, I'm sure everyone can think of some example where they experienced a change, a psychological change that maybe felt like a transformation and then experienced a relapse, let's say, of an old habit pattern or way of being.

[00:31:06] Tianna Roser: Yeah. I'm starting to think, well, is it only maybe if, if we're saying it's changing the form of something, then maybe it isn't a transformation unless it's permanent.

Hmm.

Because if I, yeah, I, if I thought that I release some limiting belief and then I go back to it, then I didn't really change it.

Otherwise I would never go back to it. If I had really changed it, it would no longer be there To go back to,

[00:31:34] Vision Battlesword: I like this line of thinking and conversation that there's a lot of like really interesting stuff here for me, especially when you start to bring up limiting beliefs and when we get into this like psychological transformation, which.

Of course, this is where we were gonna end up. What is form? That's a really interesting thought process to me. It's like when we say trans form, okay, now we're really breaking the word down. It's becoming clear to change form, to change into a different type of thing, or at least to reshape. But does that only have to happen in the physical, in the material dimension of reality?

Or do we have a form to our psychology? Do we have a form to our, our spirituality? And can that inherently change? I mean, it feels like the answer is obviously yes. Mm-hmm. People go through spiritual transformations. Mm-hmm. That's just like a caterpillar and a butterfly or a different kind of thing now, and it's unlikely that you're going back.

I think people can have those same kind of psychological transformations, but when we start talking about limiting beliefs, it's an interesting, we start to get on a little bit more shaky ground because it's like, how did I get this limiting belief in the first place? And is that actually a part of my underlying form, or is that more just like clothes that I wear?

It's like I can put on different clothes. Mm-hmm. But then I can put old clothes back on again. You know what I mean?

[00:32:55] Tianna Roser: Yeah. So when you were talking about art, you know, form beyond the physical, than as an energy healer, I start to think of our aura, our energy bodies. And I feel that if we really made a real shift, then yeah.

It's, it's reflected in our, in energy field, in our, in our aura. We would no longer be in alignment or resonance with that limiting belief. What I've seen with, so I'm a reiki master, I've seen so many times with my Reiki students or with clients where someone shifts their frequency. And this is one of the things I love about working with energy is like, as far as like one of the, my favorite tools for transformation is to work with frequency.

Because when you shift your frequency and you're no longer in alignment with, you know, if you think of a limiting belief, um, being at a lower frequency and then if your resting frequency is now raised, you're just not in alignment with that and it doesn't stick. So like limiting like beliefs could be clothing we wear, but if.

If we permanently or make a true transformation in our frequency, you know, those clothes don't fit. You could, yeah. You'd have to sort of force yourself in it. I've just seen, I've seen people, um, just suddenly no longer smoke it, just have no interest in it because they're no longer resonating with that frequency or suddenly crave healthy foods because that's their frequency or, or people drop out of their life that were sort of toxic or environment or maybe a job or, you know, something like this.

[00:34:40] Vision Battlesword: It, it was like that for me with alcohol.

[00:34:42] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[00:34:43] Vision Battlesword: Uh, I, I was off again on again with alcohol. Mm-hmm. You know, for my whole adult life until, gosh, how many years ago has it been now? About seven or eight years ago. It's just something I transformed, like I literal, I, I literally experienced exactly that kind of like energetic sequential transformation that you're talking about.

And it was actually when I started to. Get involved with the quote unquote transformational community or transformational culture, which I discovered. In my case through music festivals, that was like my gateway or portal into this whole like, new culture and community of people that I didn't even know existed before then.

And then when I just started hanging out with these people long enough, I just stopped desiring alcohol. It was just like, I just didn't want it anymore. And a couple of years went by and I tried it again at some point. And it was just like, why did I ever like this? You know? Yeah. And actually the same thing happened for me with cannabis as well, uh, earlier in life.

So, yeah. It's really interesting. The way you described it is perfect. It's like we are vibrating at some specific harmonic frequency, and so other frequencies either strike a harmonic chord mm-hmm. Or they're just, they're dissonant. Mm-hmm. And they just, they just don't feel good. They don't fit. And so you think of that's, this is fascinating.

This is a new avenue of exploration for me, but you think of limiting beliefs. In those same ways as sort of like frequencies that overlap with our like core self. Yeah.

[00:36:16] Tianna Roser: So I think in some cases when people might relapse per se, they might not have made that permanent shift in their frequency. Right? So maybe, maybe, maybe part of them did.

I see this a lot where someone's choosing a change in part of them, but if they don't do like their shadow work, right. And find these hidden parts of themselves, those might come up maybe when they're stressed or in certain situations and so they didn't complete the work and so they might have some, uh, success for a while, but if they haven't done the complete work, they might, you know, that other part might either take over or, or come up or be stronger at some point.

And so that makes sense to me how someone could have a seeming transformation, but then relapse. I mean, I think if we were really to dissect the word and be like, you know, rigid about it, then we'd be like, that wasn't a transformation because it, it was, you know, wasn't complete or something.

[00:37:12] Vision Battlesword: But if we can change our frequency in one direction mm-hmm.

Couldn't we change it in the other direction as well? Yeah. Right. So couldn't a transformation be valid, be legitimate, be real, like, I really did, like I was an A and now I'm a C or whatever that means. And then something happens and now I'm an A again, or maybe something happens and now I'm a B, which is not a C, but it's also not something I've been before.

Does that make sense? And, and, and what about like, so those limiting beliefs or those other frequencies, which we may, maybe we can think of psychological programs as kind of like. Other strings on a guitar that resonate along with maybe our core frequency, can they bring us down in the same way that we can kind of elevate or shift or move out of tune with them?

Can they bring us into tune with them? Does that make sense? When

[00:38:06] Speaker 3: you limiting beliefs, bring us into tune.

[00:38:09] Vision Battlesword: Sorry, I'm mixing metaphors up. No, that's okay. I switched to a musical analogy. So, so what I'm saying is, let's say that we're vibrating at a note on the musical scale, which is a frequency, and that's in harmonic with something like for my, I'll just use my own case, like I'm in harmonic with alcohol.

That vibes with me. I enjoy that at the frequency that I'm at. And then it shifts. Is it poss and then I shift? Is it possible that if that other string gets plucked enough and loud enough that it could bring me back into tune? That, let's say lower vibration.

[00:38:45] Tianna Roser: I, I would, I would think that goes back to the Intentional Evolution part.

It depends on how mindful we are and how susceptible we are to, you know, outside influence. Uh, I was in this yoga cult. For a while. I, of course, I didn't think I was in a, I wouldn't have called it a cult when I was in it, but, um, I had had my spiritual, my initial spiritual awakening prior to joining. And, but I was looking for more community and I met these, you know, people and they wanted to, you know, create all of this positive change in the world.

And they were young and they were vibrant. And, and so I, I joined this organization, and I'm sure you know a little bit about cults is like, uh, slowly they, they, they mix in, you know, truth with untruth and they kind of cut you off from the rest of the world. And then slowly you get sort of indoctrinated within particular belief systems.

And so I think there were things where before. I didn't believe that. But then, you know, in this indoctrination, I think that pulled me down in a way, being surrounded by it and being, you know, constantly given certain messages where I can remember that. But it took, it takes like a whole big group of people, uh, regularly to do that.

To, for me, I don't think that I would be, well, I would say susceptible. I think the reason for me was because I was really, at that point, I didn't know how to make a positive change in the world on my own. And I really wanted to, and I felt like this was an avenue, and because I felt so strongly that it was an avenue to create positive change, and, and it gave me a lot of opportunity to fulfill, I think I was more susceptible.

Whereas now I feel, oh, I can make the positive change on my own. So I think that it is, it's gonna depend on the person, how open they are to. Those other platform and frequencies and you know how that would impact them.

[00:40:45] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

Well, so the original question I think you asked, actually the original question was, if you transform, is it always a one way street?

And I think in this exploration, what's coming up for me anyway is probably not, it's pro probably the case, at least when we say psychologically speaking, maybe even spiritually speaking, that you could experience a trans, a true transformation, but then your form could revert back to an earlier state and that would just be another transformation.

[00:41:18] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And or

[00:41:20] Vision Battlesword: maybe we never go back exactly the way we were. Right,

[00:41:23] Tianna Roser: exactly. That's kind of what I was thinking. But certainly you could go from, you know, a seemingly better state to a worse state. And I can think of, not in my life, but certainly in other people's clients or friends sharing of maybe like a family member who experienced a tragedy and then, you know, they became an alcoholic or, or they stopped being present for their family or things like that, where maybe some major life experience, sometimes people will go in the opposite direction and transform into something that they weren't previously.

[00:42:01] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. But it seems like for it to be a transformation, I think what we're both agreeing on is that there has to be a difference in kind, meaning I go from being a person, like again, just using myself as an example, I go from being a person that. Gets even what alcohol is for and about and, and have any level of enjoyment of it to a person who like completely has forgotten why I liked it ever in the first place.

Like that's a transformation as compared to a person that has simply chosen to not drink right. As a, as a matter of habit or as a matter of choice. So it's like if we map that back to limiting beliefs, I think I can be a person that is currently engaging in a practice of managing my thoughts, my behaviors, I'm working on it in, in other words, I'm, I'm, I'm a work in progress with regard to certain habits of thought or, or habitual programs or things.

And that's not necessarily a transformation. That could be an evolution actually. But then at a certain point, I may reach a stage of transformation where I've actually transcended. These patterns. Now I will have new problems perhaps, but not those.

[00:43:22] Tianna Roser: Yeah. I think for myself, that's why I'm most excited about transformation and what, and as the hypnotherapist, I want to get to the core.

I don't want to just manage, help people manage their behaviors like you're saying, but really, you know, I don't want to hypnotize somebody that cigarettes taste bad when the reason why they're smoking is because of not managing like their stress or that's their way to have time for themself or something like that.

I want to get to the core of underneath that and then shift that, and then the behavior shifts versus just working on the level of behavior, which, I mean, there's value in, there's value in all of it, right? But for myself, I get excited about the transformation, less excited about change in behavior.

[00:44:13] Vision Battlesword: That makes sense now.

Like the more we talk about it, the more it makes sense why people want transformation, why, why we pursue it? Because we want that experience of being different, not just a transformation of circumstances or necessarily a transformation of condition. I want to go in a ceremony. I wanna come out as someone who just doesn't do these things anymore or just doesn't like these things anymore, or has this new awakening or new awareness of, you know, how the world works.

That informs everything that I do. So now coming back to that other pin that I dropped, how does your awareness of the entire concept of a, of a SOUL plan, us having a purpose of why we came into this life, into this being in the first place, how does that inform your work as it pertains to helping people to reach the transformation they want to have?

[00:45:09] Tianna Roser: Okay, let me give you a couple different examples. So one is that a lot of times people who are what I would call a lightworker, someone who's, who's consciously trying to create a better world and help people spiritually or awakened spiritually. A lot of lightworkers have had difficult childhoods. You know, even painful, abusive, traumatic childhoods.

It's more common than not. I mean, I feel fortunate or I joke that I took the easy route 'cause I had loving parents and loving stable childhood. Uh, but that's a lot less common. And so if that person were to then come to realize that their soul, let's say someone who had an abusive parent and they grew up never feeling.

Good enough. And through that, somehow they've got to this point in their life where they really want a transformation and they wanna love themself and accept themself. And then when they were to have a spiritual regression, or if they were to have a soul plan reading, and they were to see. That their soul came in to really learn how to love themself and see how they set it up as that.

That's sort of the mastery level I always say, right? Like if you had loving parents and then you grow up to be loving, well, duh. Like how hard is that? Right? Like that's how you've known. That's easy, right? Like if somebody's rich, they were born rich, and then they grew up to rich, be rich, we're not very impressed, right?

Like, oh yeah, well you grew up with money and now you have money. I'm not very impressed. But if the rags to riches story is impressive, oh, they didn't have anything and now look, they're, and so similarly, if someone never was given or shown love and somehow they figure out how to love themselves, then that's sort of the mastery level.

So people upon realizing. More of their soul plan, it could make them feel more empowered. It's not like, oh, I got the bad hand. I got the abusive parent, and oh, you got the loving parents. It's not, life is not fair. You got the good hand. I got the bad hand. It's not like that. It's like, oh, okay, this was the lesson plan.

It doesn't have to be something that dramatic. I just find so much as, you know, from, uh, chatting with me, I enjoy astrology and I find that the archetypes of astrology and the charts of astrology, even though I'm a, I don't know, I could, I could either say I'm a advanced beginner or I could say I'm a baby intermediate level with astrology.

I find it to be such a useful tool and one of the tools that I started to use. A few years ago, ever since I made good friends with Shannon Gill, a good friend of mine who is a professional astrologer. She's an evolutionary astrologer, and one of the things that help us to see our soul plan would be our north node.

It's a point in astrology and it sort of shows the lesson plan, what we've come to learn, embody and express, and just this one piece of information, which our astrology chart has lots of pieces of information. But just looking at this one piece from a book that I have that allows me to just kind of really quickly before I meet with my client, see, this one piece has been.

Incredible. Like just, I almost wish I had been tracking it over, you know, hundreds of clients now because I have yet to have any client tell me that it doesn't resonate with them. What I do is I look it up first. What is this? Client's north node, because they provide that information on their intake form as far as their date of birth.

And then I have their intake where they tell me about their life, kind of quick overview of their life. What are the key themes and lessons of this current life so far? It's so incredible how accurately aligned it is with the theme of the specific theme of their north node and north node. It's not generic at all.

Very specific, right? Leo North Node came to play and enjoy, uh, Virgo North Node No. Came to pay attention to the details. And, you know, so they're, they're not all the saying the same thing at all. It's not like you can just fit everybody's life into ew. So people are amazed. They tend to feel validated.

Whatever they've been struggling with, they realize, oh, this was the lesson plan I came in with. It's not, there's not something deficient that I can't sustain a lasting relationship and all my friends are married or I can't achieve in my career and all of my friends can achieve in their career or whatever it is, right?

Or, or I can't keep my body healthy and all of my friends have healthy bodies no matter what I do, whatever it is, we all have some challenging area of our life, and seeing that that's in our soul plan as our lesson plan, I think is very encouraging or empowering or validating.

[00:50:24] Vision Battlesword: So is the purpose or is it part of our soul plan to experience a specific kind of transformation in this life?

Or is it that we need or would like to experience a transformation in order to come into alignment with our soul plan? Or maybe both.

[00:50:45] Tianna Roser: Yes,

[00:50:46] Vision Battlesword: yes, yes. And

[00:50:48] Tianna Roser: I think I, one thing that I've come to believe is that I think when I first started this work, I thought it was kind of like school. There's like everyone, you know, in order to graduate from first grade to second grade, there's certain things that you have to master and then, you know, and we're all gonna, you know, go through the same thing.

I, I don't believe that anymore from, based on my experience with clients, I think it's really varied that some souls maybe spend all of their lives. Outside of Earth and then have come in this time, in this amazing time of transformation on the planet right now have come to be a part of this, but they're not maybe in the karmic system that others of us are.

And they might come just to participate in something or share something and just here

[00:51:39] Vision Battlesword: for the party.

[00:51:41] Tianna Roser: Yes. Right. And other souls might have spent many lifetimes and might be going, you know, sometimes maybe some souls have come in this lifetime very briefly to provide growth opportunities for other souls that they're close to.

And however, I do wanna tell people that I think is less common. 'cause I, I can't tell you there's, I've met a number of people that are like, oh, I think, I don't think there's anything I'm here to learn. I think I'm just here to help others. And it's like, uh, I'm pretty sure there's some things that you come into, you know, so, uh, that tends to be.

A fallacy that we're not, we're constantly wanting to grow and evolve unless you are an enlightened being. And I don't think any enlightened being is ever gonna book a session with me. So, uh, I wish, you know, that would be amazing. But I'm pretty sure that anybody that books a session with me, you know, is here probably seeking some to learn something, seeking some

[00:52:35] Vision Battlesword: support and transformation.

Yeah. Yes.

[00:52:37] Tianna Roser: That makes

[00:52:37] Vision Battlesword: sense. Well, you said something a moment ago that I definitely wanna explore a little bit. You said this is a time of transformation. Mm-hmm. What do you think about that?

[00:52:47] Tianna Roser: I think it would be crazy if people don't at least see that there's massive change in our lifetime. And that's what

[00:52:58] Vision Battlesword: it looks like to me.

I'm just curious what your thoughts are. Yeah, yeah.

[00:53:00] Tianna Roser: I mean, but I'm gonna go full woo, because that's me on it, Uhhuh, and, you know, talk about going back to astrology, the age of Aquarius and. Feeling that we are shifting paradigms from a hierarchical structure, power-based structure to a more, you know, uh, collective, e equal society that works in the highest good of all.

Doesn't look like that. If we're just looking from our physical eyes as far as this time on the planet. I understand there's a lot of chaos. There's a lot of war and strife and harm being done, and, and that's that weird paradox how everything can be unraveling and yet it still can be perfectly part of the plan.

Yeah. I feel strongly that I chose to be here at this time for this transformation.

[00:53:59] Vision Battlesword: I'm here for the party, that's for sure. Yeah.

[00:54:01] Tianna Roser: Yeah. And even parts of me that. Struggle with technology and embracing it and some of the, you know, implications around it. I constantly remind myself, you chose to be here during this time, and so embrace it.

And I, I mean, by being mindful, being mindful around my use of technology, I just don't want it to get away from my humanity. You know? I don't want us, yeah. I was

[00:54:28] Vision Battlesword: curious what you meant by that. What, what's challenging for you with technology?

[00:54:31] Tianna Roser: Yeah. Like, like ai.

[00:54:34] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

[00:54:34] Tianna Roser: I really value and appreciate how fast.

It processes things and as somebody who's, I feel like I'm more right brain than left brain or I'm, that's my stronger side is my right brain. That's why I do really appreciate that AI can serve as the left brain tool that I need to help me organize and structure and plan things. However, I struggle with seeing people lose their authentic expression.

This is where I'm at with it right now. And then going back to my friend, shout out to Shannon Gill. Um, she's like, well, we're, we're at the very beginning stage of, you know, age of Aquarius. And when we first shift in any new sign, you're gonna go through the shadow aspect first, and then we have to work through the shadows, you know, and to make the transformation and then the integration of that transformation.

So, you know, the shadow side of Aquarius would be that, because Aquarius is the opposite of Leo. Leo is, uh, your unique, authentic expression. And she also pointed out to me, 'cause I have, whereas you have a Virgo Stellium, you know, you have all of these planets in Virgo. I have a Leo Stellium. So Leo, so to me it's very important that we're all here, you know, authentically, uniquely expressing ourselves.

Because as you stated, you know, when I said, oh, I'm a divine, I'm a spark of the divine. We all are sparks of the divine, but we're all unique sparks. There's no one else like you on the planet. And so what a shame if we all start sounding the same. And so there's just certain things that ai, like I can really spot it and it's gets under my skin when I see the AI writing.

And it's just everyone, like people that I used to subscribe to their blogs or, or their social media. And now it's just like, it's the same thing. It's

[00:56:33] Vision Battlesword: canned. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that

[00:56:34] Tianna Roser: doesn't excite me. And so, but I get that, like that can all transform also. That's just a stage that we're going through.

[00:56:43] Vision Battlesword: There's a bunch of things that you said that I really love and want to spend a relatively significant chunk of time just talking about this global transformation. Mm-hmm. Because that seems really relevant. Before I jump into that, you mentioned a few things. Like you said, we're gonna go through the shadow before we emerge into the light, which I agree with and.

It makes me think of a few different cyclical systems that I've studied that I don't know if you're familiar with, but we'll find out. The first thing I wanna ask is, what is the shadow side of Aquarius? So you're much more familiar with astrology than I am, so this is very, it's very interesting to me.

What does the shadow of Aquarius look like?

[00:57:23] Tianna Roser: Yeah, the shadow, and again, I am, uh, you know, beginner, beginner level, astrology, but uh, shadow side of Aquarius, Aquarius is very innovative and futuristic. But that would be. The shadow side would be to be going too, too fast, too far in technology and lose our humanity.

Yeah. The aqua Aquarius being, you know, collective would be that we, you know, just do what's good for the broader whole, and then forget about the individual,

[00:57:56] Vision Battlesword: right.

[00:57:56] Tianna Roser: The shadow side of Aquarius, like in a person could be compartmentalization. So those are some of the, the big ones. So I think like right now when we're talking about AI and tech, it would be to, to lose the, the human individualized expression.

[00:58:14] Vision Battlesword: To me, there's a piece of it. Tell me if this resonates with your knowledge of astrology, but to me, a big piece of it, you talk about going too far too fast, the technology. What I see is it's not just too far, too fast, it's completely reckless. It's like throwing caution to the wind. It's like, it's interesting that we're on this topic of evolution and transformation and this idea of progress.

We haven't actually used that word yet, I don't think, but somehow that's packaged in to what we've been talking about with the, the positive connotation of these words. That change is always inherently for the good or it's always moving in the direction of things getting better, or something along those lines, which that doesn't seem true to me.

Like it seems to me that change can go in all different directions and. Sometimes it does also, sometimes it must go backwards before it goes forwards, I think, which is kind of also a part of what we're talking about with what it's like to be on the cusp or the turning of an age, which is this party that we all warped in here to check out for whatever reason, because it's cool, but sometimes we have to take things apart so that we can put 'em back together.

Mm-hmm. And in that taking apart phase, that could probably feel chaotic, that could feel even like destructive or like the end of the world, you know, in a certain way. So the, the point I'm trying to make here is that I think we've been in a period of time for like kind of the tail end of the previous age, or like the last maybe 70, 80, a hundred years of what we would call ma modernity or the modern era as we're going to the quote unquote postmodern or the age of Aquarius, where.

There hasn't been a lot of forethought being put into, okay, we have created a new technology. We have an innovation, an invention, or whatever. Should we?

[01:00:08] Tianna Roser: Yeah.

[01:00:09] Vision Battlesword: It's just like, oh, we have it, so therefore now we do it now, now we do this, now we have this, now let's roll it out. Let's put it out. And I've been, you know, asking this question for at least the last couple of decades when I see certain signs of progress, so-called, it's like, do, should we do this?

Like May, maybe we, maybe we should, uh, push pause here on this, for example, AI or lots of different things that we do with the way we grow our food and the kind of diet that we eat, and other ways that we've outsourced or offloaded our thinking systems. Even our physical systems into machines or other forms of technology.

And so this point you're making about the importance of us maintaining some kind of connection to our own humanity seems really important to me, especially as we're going through this transformation, which again, like caterpillar and a butterfly. Yeah. Maybe we do come out looking very different on the other side, but that's where Intentional Evolution comes in for me.

Mm-hmm. Or like, let's take a little bit of ownership about how we wanna look on the other side.

[01:01:17] Tianna Roser: Yeah. I think that curiosity is such a strong motivator for some people. Like once the possibility opens up, like some of us will be like, wait, I, I'm gonna sit with this and decide, but like, if we talk about society or humanity, there's gonna be somebody who's, some people are gonna be like, no, don't push the button, or whatever.

But somebody's gonna be like, I gotta see what happens when I push the button. Right? There's gonna be somebody. Who does that? And, and again, that's probably part of the divine design, but something that came into my mind that I was suddenly thinking about was cloning. 'cause I was like, is that one of those things?

Like actually I have never kept up with it, but I mean. They stopped that technology initially. Do they clone animals now? I can't. Maybe they do. I Okay. They do. Clone animal. Yeah.

[01:02:10] Vision Battlesword: I mean, I know it's possible, right? I I, I know, I know it's even possible to clone humans. I just don't know if anyone's doing it right.

[01:02:17] Tianna Roser: Right. I just feel like there, there must be somebody who's doing it, right? Yeah. I think, think so. 'cause like, once you open up that possibility, there's somebody who, who can't help but like want to know. And there's somebody that has so much resources and they, they want something new and exciting and they don't know what to do with it, and they wanna be the one who breaks the barrier and, and clones, you know?

And so I feel like it's the same with, once something becomes possible, it's almost impossible to stop it from at least somebody, like the majority of us can choose, like, oh, I'm not gonna take that substance, or I'm not gonna make, you know, I'm not gonna use AI, or I'm not gonna. But I think when we're talking collective, there's always gonna be someone that does that.

[01:03:03] Vision Battlesword: I think you're right. But also to me, what that's a sign of is that we are a species that is in a child state. Because it's like that's, that's kind of like that kind of lack of impulse control. Yeah. Is kind of what you think of as like you grow out of that at some point. Mm-hmm. And then you become an adult.

Mm-hmm. And then you start making responsible decisions with like, oh, okay. You know, I go to the store. Like, I could buy that. I could buy that. I could buy that, but like, what do I, what would I like to have? Right. Like, so it seems to me that an adult species would kind of take that same type of mindset with new technologies.

Say like, oh, okay, nuclear weapons. Okay, I can have that. Oh, it's, that's actually a good example of where we have apparently, you know, been able to exercise some kind of like adult restraint. Uh,

[01:03:53] Tianna Roser: with

[01:03:53] Vision Battlesword: a particular technology.

[01:03:54] Tianna Roser: With nuclear weapons, though, you have checks and balances, right? Because there might be some crazy dictator in some small country that wants to, but then the other countries keep them in check.

But like something like cloning, well, we'll have these governmental laws, but again, it's so like, something that could be done behind closed doors would be the, the big difference. Like with the nuclear weapons, we can whatever, have drones go over and watch and see, oh, I think they're creating nuclear weapon.

You know, I, I've seen changes, you know, all these things. We could sort of monitor these things hypothetically, but yeah, I think there's a point that, that's a good point that you're making, that people that have a lot of resources, it's not. Because the most mature people on the planet have the most resources.

It doesn't, you know, they don't go hand in hand resources and maturity. Right, right. There's people out there that are not the best ones to be making decisions that might have a lot of resources.

[01:04:55] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. Yeah. I, I see what you're saying. And it's, it's still just to me, seems like evidence of a particular paradigm.

Like even even to, to describe things in the terms of. We need some authority figure to watch over. And it's, and again, it's just like, it's like a parent with a child. Mm-hmm. Where I'm imagining, like, on the other side of this transformational cusp mm-hmm. Maybe we're at least sort of like an early adult uhhuh.

Right. Or we're like not quite a teenager. We're like, yeah, still a lot of learning, a lot of growing to do. But we've reached that kind of like age of responsibility as a species where our collective consciousness has that level of maturity where we can have, we can have some self restraint acknowledging that, uh, you know, as a, as a species, there's always going to be individuals.

It's like cells in our body or cells in our, our organism that individuals can't necessarily. Always be controlled and there could be outliers there. But I'm, I, I guess that's what I'm imagining, like this transformation for me represents, is an actual transformation of consciousness.

[01:06:04] Tianna Roser: Yeah. Like

[01:06:04] Vision Battlesword: that's the way I'm seeing it.

[01:06:06] Tianna Roser: That's why the work that you and I and others like us, to me that's the real work to be done more than the changing of who's in power and, you know, taking different measures. All of these like external things. If consciousness doesn't change, then we're gonna find ourselves stuck back in the similar situation.

So it's more important that we help change the collective consciousness, you know, person by person. And going back to energy, like I personally feel that if there's enough. People of a certain consciousness that it has, you know, it creates an energetic resonance, right? So people come into that frequency and it helps to shift their frequency as well.

There has to be enough of that. And the collective consciousness has been maybe doing the opposite up until now and bringing people down into this survival, fear-based kind of collective consciousness. And we're trying to shift into personal empowerment kind of consciousness. And if enough people are willing to do that work, then that can shift it for the collective.

[01:07:11] Vision Battlesword: There's like a dichotomy there, but there's also a synergy that we've kind of been dancing around. It's fun that this conversation has had so many parallels with the, you know, left brain, right brain, uh, masculine, feminine shadow and light. Like there's all these like kind of binaries that we've been playing with, and it seems like this individual and collective is one of them where.

You talked about personal empowerment, but then somehow that individ each individual coming into their own empowerment and each individual coming into their transformation of consciousness that is in service of the collective transformation. But it's like, it kind of goes both ways, right? Mm-hmm. It's, it goes in both directions.

Mm-hmm. Right? Because the more of a center of gravity, or, or critical mass, you might say, of a new consciousness that there is, the more that frequency helps people to kind of come into resonance with it in the same way that we were talking about earlier, like within an individual, the frequency of their own belief system.

Mm-hmm. Same idea, right? Mm-hmm. But just like extrapolating out to. The collection of individuals.

[01:08:23] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm. I heard you and Edgar Sanchez talking about, uh, David Hawkins, and I'll be honest, like I never read that book, but I, um, power versus force, but I'm aware of those different levels of mm-hmm. The levels of consciousness, of energy, frequency.

And I read just that little snippet from his book and talking about how one person at this higher frequency can counterbalance or affect 10,000 people at this lower frequency. And that's really helpful to think. So it's not like, oh, we have to help shift the consciousness of 8 billion people on the planet.

You know? So if there's enough people at this higher level, it has an impact of, you know, multipliers, uh, you know, for all of these other people.

[01:09:12] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. But at the same point, it's like, I can only actually really take responsibility for my own mm-hmm. Consciousness. But that's like the most important thing that I, that I actually can do.

That's the, that's the most important thing any one of us can do, is to take responsibility for our own, our own growth, our own transformation, but on, on the grand scale and like, you know, this whole idea of, uh, the turning over of an entire age and maybe even being on the cusp of a, a larger e even even larger than just, uh, an astrological period, but even a, a greater cycle that we could be moving through.

Right now, I'm, I'm a. I'm fascinated by, and I've studied a lot about these kind of historical civilizational and even like cultural cycles, and so did I, in one of our previous conversations, did I ever mention to you The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind?

[01:10:12] Tianna Roser: No.

[01:10:12] Vision Battlesword: Okay. You would remember.

[01:10:13] Tianna Roser: Yeah. Yeah, I think I would remember that, yeah,

[01:10:15] Vision Battlesword: Okay. Well, anyway, so yeah, there, there's, there's just a number of these different systems that I've read about and learned about. 'cause I've, I've been like a kind of a consciousness nerd, I guess if that's a thing for a long time. 20, 25 years or something. And cycles.

Cycles, like, so understanding it just, I don't know. I get some kind of comfort from it, from like being able to sort of place myself in history and the world feels less. Frightening and mysterious and outta control, if I can, at least in my own mind, believe that, oh, okay. Yeah. Here we are, we're in the Fourth Turning of the Saeculum in a Golden Age of, maybe I'll put it at place in, in Spiral Dynamics as well as like, oh, in a, in a new wave of is emerging, which is a new Tier as well, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So like, I've got these frameworks in my mind that help me to like understand the world and maybe me feel less to feel like I have more of an awareness of my soul plan and you know, to use your framework. So with that all being said, I think what these cycles have shown me is exactly what you said before when you said that if we're going into a new age, like a new astrological age, we're first going to experience the shadow of that new system.

And that's exactly what I think the historical record. Would seem to tell us. And that's also what some of these psychological theories like Julian Jaynes' consciousness theory would seem to indicate to us as well. When a new type of consciousness is getting ready to kind of emerge into the species that what we're going to experience is going to feel kind of like collective insanity.

That, and, and it makes sense when you think about that because we can kind of map that onto even our personal experience. If we're going through a personal transformation, like let's say we're having a peak experience, there's a moment in that hero's journey where things feel very dark, things feel.

Outta control, like maybe we're not gonna make it. Being able to know that it's always darkest before the dawn. Throwing yet another metaphor in there, like, you know, you gotta break eggs to make an omelet. It's like we're in the breaking eggs phase of omelet making right now. It's gonna, yeah. You know, it's going to look very different afterwards.

But I think that what's uniquely hopeful to me about this particular transformation or this particular boundary is that we have so many more tools now, especially like psychologically and spiritually speaking, to be able to navigate our way through it than I think we have had before. Which to map it back onto what you were originally talking about with soul plans, I think that gives us an opportunity to make the ride a lot smoother and ideally less brutal than it has been in the past.

[01:13:15] Tianna Roser: Yeah. I can't believe as somebody who loves cycles, that you haven't really gone deeply into astrology. It would. You could, 'cause you can go back, you know, hundreds, thousands of years to see where certain planets were and the cycles and what was going on and, and there's astrologers that love to do that with history.

And as a baby beginning astrologer, uh, not astrologer, astrology student, I can't remember exactly, but this age of Aquarius is over 2000 years in age. So if you think of going to the shadow, that could be hundreds of years of Yeah. Yeah. Meeting the shadow. So it could be just to put it into perspective.

[01:13:57] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. On the other hand, everything seems to be accelerating too. Mm-hmm. Right. Through technology and everything else.

[01:14:02] Tianna Roser: Yeah. That's an interesting thing that I've pondered as far as, you know, because people always say like, oh, as you get older, time seeds to speed up. But it, your experience of time, of course, is subjective.

You can ask other people, like, yeah, does time feel like it's speeding up? But yeah, everything seems to be going faster, so yeah. Maybe our, our rate of evolution will speed up too.

[01:14:28] Vision Battlesword: Maybe, but yeah, I, I'm only just dipping my toe in the water with astrology. But yeah, the, the more I learn about it, the more fascinating it is.

There's one particular cycle that I have more awareness of, I think, than anything else as far as, as astrological cycles mapping to history is concerned. And that really deals with kind of this entire age of Pisces that we've been in and how it maps to Christianity. Mm-hmm. You're so, yeah. That, that makes sense to you, right?

Yeah. So it's like, prior to Pisces was Taurus, if I'm not mistaken. Is that right? No,

[01:15:03] Tianna Roser: uh oh. Yeah. Pisces, no, it would be Aries. Aries, yes. 'cause the, the ages go, go back in reverse order versus Right, right, right. Ram,

[01:15:13] Vision Battlesword: not bull. Yeah. Sorry, I, I misremembered that, but yes. So prior to Pisces was Aries?

[01:15:18] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

It would have to be Aries before. Okay. And then Taurus before that.

[01:15:24] Vision Battlesword: A lot of this understanding that I have of the astrological significance of a lot of the symbology that we have from Christianity mm-hmm. Goes back to a movie called Zeitgeist. Mm. Do you, have you seen it? I

[01:15:38] Tianna Roser: saw that, but I don't remember it, but I did see it. Yeah.

[01:15:40] Vision Battlesword: So, yeah, so it explains, it's so fascinating. It makes perfect sense. But for some reason I got mixed up on a ram versus a bull, somewhere along the lines. But there's certain stories in the Bible mm-hmm. Where the old object that was being worshiped was being discarded, cast away, and the new one. What was Taurus prior to Aries?

[01:16:02] Speaker 3: Yeah. Taurus would be prior to Aries. Okay. That's what

[01:16:03] Vision Battlesword: I'm remembering then. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So this is like old test going back Old Testament. Mm-hmm. Where there's certain stories in the Bible. That would seem to indicate that they were aware mm-hmm. That we're moving from the age of Taurus into the age of Aries.

Mm. Mm-hmm. And then the symbology associated with Christ or Christianity is the two fish.

[01:16:25] Tianna Roser: Mm-hmm.

[01:16:25] Vision Battlesword: Which represents the age of Pisces. Yeah. And so, you know, Aries is, is passing away and now we're in the new age and Christ says, I will be with you unto the end of the age. And then Revelation would maybe seem to be pointing to this time period that we're experiencing now, which is the end.

Of the age and the emerging of the new where a lot of new things will be revealed and it might get kind of chaotic for a while.

[01:16:54] Tianna Roser: Yeah. I, I have to, uh, confess that I haven't actually read the Bible. Uh, I've heard of it, but, but yeah, the, I

[01:17:03] Vision Battlesword: haven't read every word either,

[01:17:05] Tianna Roser: but the symbology totally tracks and just thinking of, you know, you ask the shadow aspect of, uh, Aquarius, the Age that we're, you know, depends on the astrologer, if I believe that we're in the Aquarius Age but it's not universally agreed on when the age of Aquarius starts.

But we can see a lot of sort of the hallmarks of what we think are Aquarius in our society now. The shadow aspect of Pisces, one of it is victim consciousness, which you can see a lot in our society, right? This victim consciousness. So I think that that, I mean, that's just one of a bunch of different ones for Pisces.

I happen to be Pisces Rising, so I am aware of that. And actually right now we are in, collectively, we're in Pisces North nodes. So we're all meant to embrace the higher aspect of Pisces. You know, our connection with spirituality and, and the water element and going with the flow and trusting. Our spiritual connection.

[01:18:07] Vision Battlesword: Do you suppose that going into the age of Aquarius can represent an explosive expansion for humanity? Like is this the age where we're finally going to maybe go out into space and become a multi-planetary species?

[01:18:22] Tianna Roser: Well, there's so many different major cycles. So the age of curries would be the biggest one, because again, that's like over 2000 years.

Right. And so when you have,

[01:18:31] Vision Battlesword: aren't they all about 2200 years? Every age.

[01:18:34] Tianna Roser: Every age, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's all these other cycles going on at the same time. Oh, yes, yes, yes. So like this year, right, some of the outer planets have shifted signs. Right. And so, and again, like I'm not necessarily get this exactly right, but like Uranus cycle is like 14 years in one sign, and, uh, I think Saturn's three years, but oh, Pluto.

Oh, no, no. Uranus was eight and Neptune is 14. Right? So anyway, several of these this year all changed signs, right? So you have a 14 year cycle changing and an eight year cycle changing and so forth. And so some of these other ones also support, what you're talking about is kind of innovation, technological types of shifts, like the Uranus in Gemini.

That's a big one because Uranus, which is sort of the lightning bolt of change, and it brings unexpected, and Uranus is one of the planets that rules Aquarius, depending again on what type of astrology. Some people say it's just Saturn, or some people say Saturn and Uranus are co rulers of Aquarius.

Uranus is like bringing in unexpected change. And Uranus was in Taurus, which is the bull, which is an earth sign, which resists change, right? So Uranus in Taurus wasn't. Very comfortable. But Uranus in, uh, Gemini, which is an air sign, it is all about different thoughts and ideas. Um, now boom, things can happen really fast.

And so that cycle, you know, we just dipped our toes in and then you have, you know, so you have all these different major planets. Again, they're gonna be shorter cycles, but still like so much can happen 'cause they're kind of all amplifying each other together. And so, yeah, absolutely. There's a bunch of things that seem to indicate that we could have, not just rapid technology, but like you're saying like maybe space stuff and, you know, things that we thought were just total science fiction before could happen very quickly or become a reality.

[01:20:33] Vision Battlesword: What are your best words of wisdom to help guide us through this age of transformation? This, uh, Aquarian transformation?

[01:20:43] Tianna Roser: I think. First and foremost for almost any question that you ask me about someone's personal experience and how they can improve it or have the best experience for themselves while they're here as a human on the planet, first and foremost, is to be connected to your own divine spark.

Mm-hmm. To your own higher self. Because we all have different soul plans, right. And I think in this age of Aquarius, we are finding that there's so much information and you can find a good argument, a good, you know, case for, for anything, right? You could ask AI if you, you know, especially like ai, AI is gonna tell you whatever you want, right?

So if you're, you know, like ai, you know, tell me something ridiculous, whatever, it'll go along and, and, and tell you why that's a good idea. And so we have to be aligned with our own. Inner truth to help us navigate, right? If we are looking outside of ourself externally, you're gonna feel really dizzy and and scared or just unclear because maybe the thing that you've always relied on, if it's outside of you, whether it's a.

Religion, you know, religious source or whether it's your, your job or your government or whatever it is, right? Like all of those things could shift in a flash, but if you have your own internal compass that's guiding you, then that's gonna help you navigate, you know, and I mean, that's for myself, like what's really, really helped me ever since, my biggest personal transformation would be going from being an atheist to opening up to spirituality.

Because before that I was really sort of following the, the matrix, you know, the external, uh, plan that were sort of given. And um, and then once that wasn't working for me and it wasn't fulfilling for me, that kind of. Shook me in a way that helped me to open to like, okay, well that's not right. How do I figure out what's right for me?

Now I do think that there's gonna be a lot of major changes and we already see that, but I find comfort in just connecting within and knowing ever since I've been on this mindful or conscious spiritual path. 'cause of course we're all on a spiritual path, right? Even if you're an atheist, like really?

'cause you're a soul here, uh, you know, in a human experience. But, um, but when we are intentionally on a spiritual path and we connect to our own inner knowing, inner guidance, then you can feel safe and stable when the ground beneath you is, is crumbling. And so, I, I that, but also I do think being connected to earth and earth's energy will help stabilize us with all of these fast moving.

Technological changes come back to the basic of being grounded in your body, connected to nature, connected to the earth. You'll feel that sense of calm and peace and stability, and that'll give clarity.

[01:23:58] Vision Battlesword: Wow. That's all really good advice as I judge it anyway, I would like to give you the last word. Is there anything about transformation in general that we haven't touched on or we haven't talked about that just feels really exciting to you or that's still on your mind to add to this conversation?

[01:24:18] Tianna Roser: Well, I, I wanna wrap back around to frequency.

[01:24:23] Vision Battlesword: Yeah.

[01:24:23] Tianna Roser: Because you know the way of transformation on the planet, so we're talking about the shift of ages and new paradigms. The way of shift used to be more. Through effort, right? Like you have hard work and effort creates the transformation and it takes time, you know, and effort.

And there's still truth to that. And now, as you know, if there's more collective consciousness opening to spirituality and bringing in these higher frequencies. What I've really loved about Reiki, but can be with lots of other types of frequency modalities, is that you can, you know, going back to desire, what we were talking about at the beginning, you can joyfully have a very rapid transformation when you shift your frequency.

There can be sort of transformation with effortless ease. And so just having people open their mind that yes, there's more than one path to transformation. Yes. And I still, I work hard and I believe in, you know, hard work has value to me and so does play. And I, uh, you know, constantly amazed at how much transformation happens in, you know, through joy and through play, and.

Also just as the receiver being open to higher consciousness and allowing it to flow through me. You know, like in a reiki session, I'm basically, I always joke, I'm doing nothing and so much is happening. And so, you know, just opening to possibility and looking for opportunities to create transformation.

Transformation co-creating is, is uh, this whole synergy thing, right? We can find others that are similarly aligned and we can play and co-create together. Transformation doesn't have to be so hard or grueling or, you know, like a sacrifice. It can, we can transform into this new possibility of transformation through play and joy and ease.

[01:26:25] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Well, you know, I 100% agree with that. That totally resonates with me and yeah, I'm glad you mentioned it too, 'cause I was thinking about that earlier when you were talking about soul plans and how that works. I wanted to ask you the question based on the way you were talking about things is like, do we always come here?

Is it necessary that we, that we come here to play the game on hard mode? And you, you just answered the question. It's like, it can be that there's a particular type of experience that we want to have, or there's a particular lesson that we wanna learn. We could have a lesson plan that requires certain types of challenge.

In our previous conversation, I used the, the video game metaphor. It's like, yeah, I, I would like to play this game on like high difficulty because that's fun, you know, it's a challenge. But then also sometimes we can just play, sometimes we can just have fun. And I 100% agree with you that transformation can happen in an instant.

I truly believe that. I believe that we can, in any, literally any moment, make a choice and. Change our reality. I've experienced it. I've seen it happen many times. And we can also do it in joy. We can do it in love, we can do it in play. We can do it. We can do it in any state, actually. And I think it's all just about what kind of game do you want to play today and what, what kind of game are you playing in this life?

I guess I ran outta words. That's all I had to say.

[01:27:56] Tianna Roser: It's been fun.

[01:27:58] Vision Battlesword: This was super fun for me. Super interesting. I really, really appreciate your time and I appreciate your wisdom as well. How can people find you if they would like to connect with you? And learn more about your services.

[01:28:09] Tianna Roser: Oh, thanks. I think the best way would just be to go to my website, which is awakening transformation.com.

[01:28:15] Vision Battlesword: Awesome.

[01:28:16] Tianna Roser: Yeah. I do have a podcast as well beyond the illusion podcast.com, but also you can find it on, you know, all of the podcasts platforms. And if people are in the Austin area, I'd love if they come out to, I have a, a meetup group, um, Austin Spiritual Awakening. We meet the very last Tuesday of every month, and they can find that either on our Telegram, Austin Spiritual Awakening Telegram Group or Facebook group. And we have interesting conversations like this.

[01:28:45] Vision Battlesword: We sure do. Yeah. I mean, I can, I, I will, I'll attest as a member of your meetup group that I greatly enjoy them and. Yeah. So thank you very much for all that information, and I will put any links and contact information that you'd like in the show notes for this episode.

And yeah, once again, just thank you so much for your time and the conversation. It was great.

[01:29:06] Tianna Roser: My pleasure. Thank you.

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