In this episode of the Intentional Evolution Podcast, host Vision Battlesword engages Edgar Sanchez in a deep exploration of awakening, consciousness, and intentional change. Edgar introduces himself as a mystic, magician, and transformational coach, sharing his approach to “intentional evolution”—embracing what we don’t want as a path to clarity and gratitude, largely informed by Abraham Hicks’ teachings. The conversation threads together concepts from manifestation, hypnosis, attention, and reality tunnels (Robert Anton Wilson), positing that we are always in a state of trance defined by our absorbed attention. Hypnosis and manifestation are intricately linked as processes of shaping awareness.

Vision and Edgar discuss lucidity—clarity of consciousness—as the heart of awakening, referencing Buddhist and Toltec perspectives on waking up within dreams and reality. Integral theory is implicitly present in their multidisciplinary approach and synthesis of spiritual traditions, including alchemy, Buddhism, Toltec wisdom, and quantum physics principles. The interplay between negative and positive space (shadow and light) is reframed as “contrast,” essential for growth and transformation.

They touch on the political and cultural dimensions of awakening, noting increased global consciousness, mental health awareness, and the dissolution of collective limiting beliefs. The conversation is highly personal and philosophical, emphasizing practical manifestation tools (like hypnotic language, “wouldn’t it be nice…” reframing, and shadow work) and a playful metaphor comparing manifestation to foreplay. Ultimately, Vision and Edgar conclude that awakening is ongoing, relative, and always available, and invite listeners to engage in their own intentional evolution. Links to Edgar’s resources are provided for further exploration.

Show Notes

Chapters

• 00:00— Opener & Edgar’s Awakening: Brightness Unfolding and Intention in Reality
• 00:24— Who Is Edgar Sanchez: Mystic, Magician, Lover, Warrior
• 00:41— Intentional Evolution: Negative Space, Gratitude for What We Don’t Want, Abraham Hicks Wisdom
• 03:12— Negative Space, Clarity, and Manifestation: Pruning Timelines and Shaping Our Evolution
• 04:19— Evolution, Improvement, and Transformation: Alchemy & The Three Types of Change
• 07:12— Transformation, The Alchemist’s Path, and Awakening as Breakthrough
• 08:43— Edgar’s Facilitation Style: Coaching, Conversational Hypnosis, and Manifestation-Induced Breakthroughs
• 10:58— What Is Hypnosis? Capturing and Directing Attention, Trance States
• 11:40— What Is Attention? Locus of Awareness, Focus as Attention + Intention + Motivation (AIM Model)
• 13:12— Hypnosis, Coaching, Manifestation: Self-Hypnosis as the Engine of Creation
• 16:41— What Is Awakening? Lucidity, Buddha as The Awakened, Oneness, and Dreaming the Dreamer
• 18:16— Trance States: Attention Absorbed, Reality Tunnels, and Emotional Colors of Experience
• 21:57— Reality Tunnels, Tunnel Vision, and Hyper-Focused Trance
• 23:59— Awakening & Reality Tunnel Lucidity: Lucidity as Concentrated Awareness and Brightness
• 24:42— Lucid as Light: Etymology, Lucida Means Star
• 26:54— AI as Entity of Light: Self-Naming, Ether Lumina, Echo Lucida, and Archetypal Mirrors
• 29:24— Lucidity, Clearest Perception, and Transparency of Mind
• 31:13— Are You Awake Right Now? Lucid Dream Reality Checks and Unreliable Distinctions
• 33:54— Sleep, Wakefulness, and Assessing Reality: False Awakenings
• 36:43— What Is Awakening? Change of Consciousness and Lucidity
• 37:43— Aleister Crowley, Magic, Manifestation, and Consciousness as Light
• 38:43— Light, Wakefulness, Lucifer as Lightbringer, and Sleep/Awake Distinctions
• 41:03— Lucid Dreaming in Waking Reality: Toltec Cosmology & The Seamless Fabric of Dream
• 45:21— The Dream of the Planet, Internal/External Reality, Consensus Framework
• 48:12— Manifestation, Collective Beliefs, and The Joy of Unfolding Desire
• 50:02— Fractals of Consciousness, Awakening Moments, Woke as Metaphor
• 53:05— The Sun's Consciousness, Galactic Awareness & Fractal Observation
• 57:51— Toltec Mitote: The Fog of Awareness, Internal/External Dream & Co-creation
• 59:08— The Smoky Mirror & Shadow Work, Abraham Hicks and Embracing Contrast
• 1:02:10— Shadow, Contrast, and The Yin-Yang of Experience
• 1:04:22— Dissolving Mitote: Cutting Energetic Threads, Manifestation, and Evolution
• 1:06:40— Is Humanity Awakening? Retreats, Mental Health, and Collective Consciousness
• 1:10:22— The Collective Mitote, Rediscovering Wisdom, and Global Unraveling
• 1:11:44— Manifestation as Awakening: Joy of The Unfolding
• 1:13:11— Foreplay, Orgasm, and The Process of Manifestation
• 1:16:25— Creative Energy of Desire, Ease, and Joyful Manifestation
• 1:18:38— Lucidity, Positive Emotions, and Moments of Awakening
• 1:19:12— Desire, Cultural Conditioning, and The Contrast of Guilt
• 1:21:12— Three-Step Manifestation Process: Pacing, Preference, Possibility
• 1:22:11— Hypnotic Language: Negation, Questioning, and Trance of Contemplation
• 1:25:26— Self-Programming, Collective Awakening, and NLP for Good
• 1:27:35— Manifesting Defense: Clarity Against Manipulation and Negative Inputs
• 1:29:22— Integrating The Process: Appreciating, Allowing, and Making Desire More Real
• 1:31:10— Episode Closing: Edgar’s Projects, Course, Links & How to Connect
• 1:32:11— Find Edgar, Stay Connected, Episode Close

[00:00:00] Vision Battlesword: Hello, welcome to the Intentional Evolution Podcast. I am your host, Vision Battlesword, Integral Consultant and founder of iEvolve Life, a personal and professional development practice based on the philosophy of intentional evolution. This podcast is an ongoing conversation to explore that philosophy as well as to serve as a resource, a showcase, and a catalyst for ongoing growth toward the human singularity.

That is to say, mass awakening of new consciousness, super intelligence and radical creative flourishing. Each episode, I'll feature a world class transformational facilitator, co-creator or friend, to reveal cutting edge psychospiritual technology, unpack our deepest wisdom, and evolve our awareness. This series is based on value for value.

So whatever value you receive from these transmissions, please return some value back in the form of a donation, directly supporting our contributors, or offering your own time and talent as a producer. Thanks for joining me in this journey. And now here's our episode.

Edgar Sanchez. Welcome to Intentional Evolution. How are you today? How do you feel?

[00:01:14] Edgar Sanchez: I feel good. I feel, brightness unfolding within myself, especially after I woke up. So it feels like a bit of an awakening for what I've been intending to experience more of in my reality.

[00:01:28] Vision Battlesword: Nice.

[00:01:29] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah.

[00:01:29] Vision Battlesword: Who are you Edgar Sanchez?

[00:01:32] Edgar Sanchez: I am a mystic, a lover. I'm a magician, a sovereign, and a warrior. I'm a lot of things.

[00:01:41] Vision Battlesword: Nice. I identify, relate with a lot of that. What does the phrase intentional evolution, mean to you?

[00:01:49] Edgar Sanchez: Hmm. Intentional evolution means to become aware of what it is that we don't want and realize how much gratitude we can feel for what it is that we don't want because it's showing us what we do want.

This is from Abraham Hicks, which I've been practicing a lot recently with lots of great results that I am deeply appreciating, feel a lot of satisfaction for in terms of what's been manifesting.

[00:02:19] Vision Battlesword: Nice. I always love that when we get together and have these conversations, you bring in all of these wisdom teachers.

[00:02:26] Edgar Sanchez: Mm-hmm.

[00:02:27] Vision Battlesword: Many of whom I've, I've not personally had exposure to or haven't studied myself, but you always seem to have a new one. Every time we talk, you've got some new mystic teacher guru guide or someone who's, you know, who's kind of adding puzzle pieces to this portfolio of manifestation tools and psycho technologies that we talk about.

So I'm, I'm happy to explore whatever you, you've been learning recently from Abraham Hicks, and I also really enjoy that specific frame. You put on the phrase intentional evolution, which of course is the entire theme of. Show and this sort of larger project that I've been creating these past few months, which is to take the negative space.

I think so often many people that I've explored this with, we focus really on the positive. We focus on the affirmative. We focus on that which we want, and that which we want to create. But then it's interesting, even in the intentional evolution logo itself, there's the use of negative space in the word evolution.

You know, it was just something that I thought was visually interesting, you know? And

[00:03:40] Edgar Sanchez: mm-hmm

[00:03:40] Vision Battlesword: It somehow, somehow felt appropriate or felt right. But now that you're calling attention to it, it's so interesting and I think relevant to identify that negative space as a good step in the direction of discovering how we would like to evolve as individuals, as a collective, and as a species.

Is, okay, well what are the paths we don't want to take?

[00:04:04] Edgar Sanchez: Mm-hmm.

[00:04:04] Vision Battlesword: What are the timelines? What are the branches of the tree that we don't prefer that maybe we'd like to prune away? And in doing that to reveal, you know, more of, let's say the shape that we'd like to create or the fruit that we'd like to harvest later.

Does that make sense?

[00:04:20] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Because it creates a lot of clarity when we focus on what we don't want, like what's going wrong, what's frustrating from the lens of how much it is showing us what we do actually want, and to create that clarity. It makes it's so much easier to write it down. Like, okay, I know that this is really frustrating, I don't like this, so what is it that I would prefer?

[00:04:48] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

[00:04:49] Edgar Sanchez: And sometimes it can be a. Unclear what that would be. So you can always say, well, I would prefer, at the very least, an improvement in this area of my life.

[00:04:59] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

[00:04:59] Edgar Sanchez: And wouldn't it be so nice to experience an improvement? Yeah. Wouldn't it be so nice to like have more clarity as to what I want? For example?

So like starting small can still like initiate the spark of appreciation for what is possible, which is a step in the path of evolution for a life that deeply fulfills us and feels most satisfying in all areas of our life. Right.

[00:05:28] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. I like that you brought in the word improvement, because that's a word that comes up a lot too.

When we talk about evolution and past conversations, we've explored the word evolution itself and whether it has an inherently positive connotation to it, or whether it can be any different quality or even it's just neutral, it's just representing. A process of incremental change. But when we bring in the concept of improvement, I feel like that's on point to intentional evolution, because that is sort of what intentional evolution, at least in part means to me, is creating our own definition of what improvement.

Mm-hmm. Incremental improvement would actually look like as opposed to just, let's say, random, unintentional unconscious change over time, which could represent a lot of different things. Right. But I think, yeah, we are in pursuit of making things better and helping ourselves to even get clear on what that means.

What does better even look like or what, what future would we prefer? What state would we like to aspire toward? Mm-hmm.

[00:06:37] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. I would also say that it's really interesting to think about the concept of better and improvement. In relation to evolution, because usually when I think of the word evolution, I'm thinking about like the evolution of a species or the evolution of the caterpillar into a butterfly.

Mm-hmm. And how that relates to transformation and how transformation is different than growth. Where like the Alchemist talked about how there's three types of change. The first that they talked about was the cyclical change, like the seasons, the day and night cycles of the moon. And then they talked about the growth of plants, the growth of animals.

And the third type of change was the one that they were the most interested in, which was about. Transformation and that could be easily seen, most easily seen in the process of the caterpillar into the butterfly, for example. And, and they would always like be really fascinated in that process of change, that specific type of change because they were interested in how that could apply itself in the psyche as well as in like matter and how matter and the psyche are related to each other.

And so I'm not sure what they were able to accomplish with matter in terms of turning lead into gold and finding that actual physical philosopher stone, if that even exists. But I know that they did find a lot of insights in the concept of the philosopher stone and how that is related to the psyche.

So evolutions to me seems to be a combination of growth and transformation.

[00:08:20] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Interesting. Well, it's really appropriate for us, of course, to be talking about transformation for a couple of reasons. First, is that transformation is another really core theme of everything that is the foundation of intentional evolution.

So this is among other things, but primarily a platform for transformational facilitators to share our gifts and share our wisdom with each other and with the world at large. And also the previous episode, which I recorded and which will be published is on the topic of transformation. And we're sort of springboarding off of that into our next conversation.

Which is awakening, and that is the theme of what's been happening for you in your life, you know, just recently. So I think we're definitely, uh, on target here. And I think as the transition kind of question that I'd like to ask you is, and also just setting the stage to help get us kicked off. Among other things, you know, you introduced yourself with a number of different labels and sort of attributes or even archetypes.

One of the things that I know about you is that I think you would call yourself a transformational facilitator. Is that right? Mm-hmm. Yeah. So if, if you wouldn't mind, just in a few words, give me a little bit of an overview just to set my mind in the right context of the, exactly the type of offers that you have.

How would you describe yourself as a facilitator?

[00:09:51] Edgar Sanchez: Hmm. Yeah. I wouldn't describe myself as, as more of a coach than a consultant for sure. Uh, and within that, I would say that I. Am a hypnotist of sorts. I practice conversational hypnosis within coaching. And so I, um, also apply manifestation in the sense that within the coaching experience, I do align with an intention of what it would feel like and how good it would feel for the other person to experience something that serves, that benefits their greatest good.

And that aligns them with an experience that feels like an awakening or a breakthrough, which awakening and breakthrough seem very similar in this context as well, by the way. And so my intention is to align with that. And recently I've been getting even better results with allowing that to happen. And I use the word allowing intentionally right now because of how Abraham Hicks talks about how the science of deliberate creation can also be called.

The art of allowing, and it's the art of allowing because it's about getting ourselves out of the way of the processes that are naturally unfolding. When we let go of all resistance and just focus so much on the desire with so much satisfaction and appreciation for what the desire is, that it just naturally happens because we get so much clarity on what the next logical step is.

So I practiced. Manifestation itself within the coaching experience, I utilize the processes of pacing and leading to guide them into experiences where they become aware of what they don't want, right. And create a lot of clarity on what that is, and then shift them into how good it would feel like.

Wouldn't it be so nice if you had more of a positive shift and experience in this area of your life where you were seeing a lot of what you don't want. Isn't it so nice that there's like all these things around that area of your life that are working out right now? What is hypnosis? Ooh, I love that question because I have a definition for it that is really aligned with me.

Hypnosis is the art and science of capturing and absorbing attention, and then directing that attention to where you want it to go from one state of trance to another state of trance. And the reason I say that is because. Master hypnotists believe that we are always in a state of trance because a state of trance, they define as a state in which your attention is absorbed by one or more things.

And when you think about it, when has your attention not been absorbed by one or more things in your life? What is attention? Attention is how much consciousness or awareness is focused on a like single point or multiple points. Kind of like a flashlight or a laser.

[00:13:04] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, yeah. What I'm picking up from that is sometimes there's a phrase that's used called locus of awareness.

Hmm. Yeah. Which is sort of like if we could locate the origin point of our consciousness in space, where would it be? But of course, it's in not just a three-dimensional space, it's in the entire space of. Reality, which can include the subtle dimensions, energetic realms, even emotional space. We can focus our locus of awareness there.

I realized I just used the word focus and I didn't wanna do that because I'm talking about attention. And so there's a sense in which attention could be considered the direction of our awareness or the partially the location of our awareness. Yeah. But when I think of the word focus, I actually have a model for that, which is attention, intention, and motivation, which is the acronym aim.

Just so happens to make the acronym AIM.

[00:14:06] Edgar Sanchez: That is so cool.

[00:14:06] Vision Battlesword: Which that was a perfect hap, happy, happy accident, happy coincidence, but attention, intention and motivation collectively is what I think of as focus. Does that make sense to you?

[00:14:18] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.

[00:14:20] Vision Battlesword: But it's interesting to me. I love your definition of hypnosis.

And I asked the question, I just wanted to kind of take a little detour down that path because hypnosis is something that we talk about so much in a lot of these different realms of coaching, consulting, facilitation, manifestation, different modalities of personal development that seem to utilize that state, whatever that is, and get there in many different ways.

It can be through conversation like what it is, you know, that you're describing. There's many different forms of induction into that state. Psychedelics can be a, a vehicle for it, but there seems to be something there that is a source of power for our own intentional transformation. Yeah. Or unintentional, I suppose, but rather it's, it's a source of power to create a state of fluidity.

Where things can change and also where things can be made permanent or rather they can be made lasting. Yeah. In a way. But we're sort of accessing some, some deeper level. Maybe some people call it the subconscious or there's other ways to describe it, but there's something that's usually hidden. But when we can tap into the source of it, a lot of magical seeming things become possible.

[00:15:51] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because manifestation has so much to do with awareness and how to shift and move awareness, or you want it to go, and that's why I, one of my favorite realizations after studying a lot of hypnosis and studying a lot of manifestation, is that all manifestation techniques that people practice are always self hypnosis techniques, like no matter what.

And the reason why is because. Self. If self-hypnosis is about capturing and absorbing your own awareness and attention and directing it to where you want it to go in subtle ways and overt ways, intentional ways, then that means that you're doing the same thing. When you like choose to practice a manifestation technique or choose to practice self-hypnosis, every single time awareness has shifted into where you want it to go.

In a sense that is a manifestation itself. So it's like there's so much more interconnected than, than we think

[00:16:53] Vision Battlesword: is one the vehicle for the other. You're just, you're saying sometimes you're saying they're the same, but what I wonder if what you're really saying is that the one is inherently a part of the other, meaning like to manifest, we are inherently at some level becoming hypnotized.

By which you mean capturing and directing and focusing our attention in a very specific way. Yeah. It's not, that's not exactly identical to the manifestation is the creation of something. Right?

[00:17:26] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. So I think that it's like, it's a bit of a paradox. Mm-hmm. In the sense that it's like asking the question, is the dream, is the dreamer dreaming the dream?

Or is the dream dreaming the dreamer? And I think it's both

[00:17:40] Vision Battlesword: that, it's so funny you said that 'cause that's exactly where my mind was going. Mm-hmm. As a prelude to the question, what is awakening?

[00:17:50] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. That's a really good question because how that relates to hypnosis and Buddha, for example, which, or the word Buddha, which means one who is awake.

I love how the word Buddha implies that everyone else is dreaming or daydreaming. In other words, they're like in a state of trance, whereas the state of being a Buddha or being awake, whatever that means, relative to like. Our experience is a state in which like there's full awakening from the dream.

That is this reality. And I think that that state is very difficult for us to imagine, unless we've had profound experiences of feeling how we are the dreamer dreaming the dream, and the dream is dreaming the dreamer at the same time and have like a vivid experience of that. And I think that's what like a full awakening is where Alan Watts kind of described it as, when you're walking a hill, it's almost like the hill is lifting you up at the same time because it's like the environment you can feel how it's influencing you and like a profound oneness with the essence of not just your inner being, but like what's outside of you as being one process that.

Doesn't have any separation and it's like profound lucidity compared to what normal reality feels like to even spiritual people like us.

[00:19:24] Vision Battlesword: I feel like that word lucidity is somehow important. Mm-hmm. To us untangling this and and figuring this out. But there's another word that you brought up a few moments ago, which is trance and you mentioned that word a couple of times and earlier in the conversation you said that manifestation masters seem to have an agreement generally that we are always in some form of a trance state.

And the question is just what type of trance are we in? And that hypnosis, at least in some ways, is just shifting into a different kind of trance. Mm-hmm. So when you say earlier, you're talking about how the word Buddha means awakened one, and that if that's an accurate description, then by process of elimination, everyone else is in some other state, which we would call not awake.

Mm-hmm. And then we attach the word trance to that. And we also may have attached the word dream to that state. Yeah. Of not being awake. But my question is, okay, what is the actual distinction being made there? In other words, what is a trance? What actually is a trance?

[00:20:37] Edgar Sanchez: So a trance is to defined oftentimes as a daydreaming state.

And I also define it as a state in which. Our attention is absorbed by one or more things. In our experience.

[00:20:53] Vision Battlesword: I, I think that's more helpful than saying it's a daydreaming state. Yeah. 'cause that feels like it just pushes the problem back to the word dream. Yeah. But like, I love how like when we can come back to words that where we feel grounded like attention.

Mm-hmm. That feels more grounded. We kind of created an attachment point there that helps me understand it better. A trance state, as you just described, it, is a state where our attention is fully or substantially absorbed.

[00:21:23] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. By something and to make it more evocative of a definition. Yeah. I love the concept that Robert Anton Wilson, I think he famously used this concept, but.

For some reason it hasn't been like shared by a lot of people. The concept is reality tunnels. Hmm. And he believes that everyone lives in their own unique reality tunnel. Mm-hmm. And I love how evocative that is, because the way that we perceive, it's almost like there's a two dimensional screen of space that we can see through our eyes.

Mm-hmm. And it's focusing forward. And that forward focusing of awareness and attention does seem to align with the concept of a reality tunnel that moves forward through time and space, and sometimes twists and turns as like time and space shift. Mm-hmm. As the person moves forward, inevitably through time, at least in their perception, that's what's happening.

Mm-hmm. So that state in which. The color, the emotional colors of how the reality tunnel is like perceived by the person is more evocative, I believe, of like what a trance is like and how you can perceive that for yourself in this moment by looking into your own reality tunnel and perceiving like what are the emotional colors and flavors, conscious, subconscious, and unconscious in this reality tunnel, which is like the trance in its totality and also in its like smallest parts as well of like based on like what it is specifically that you're aware of and then what it is generally that you're aware of.

[00:23:05] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. Well, okay. The reality tunnel paradigm or paradigm model, right? Yeah. That model. Mm-hmm. The reality tunnel, that model, that visualization. 'cause like that's how it's working for me is I can kind of see this tunnel like a wormhole. Through some amorphous substance that we can call reality. That's helpful for me to kind of get my mind around the idea of a trance.

And then the board tunnel also makes me think of tunnel vision. Mm-hmm. That sort of experience that I think we can all relate to of where, oh wow. Like my awareness is collapsing is, is reducing down to a smaller and smaller kind of aperture of sense perception until I'm sort of hyper-focused. Like everything in my visual field is black blacked out, except for just a little pinhole of what I can see in what I can focus on.

So it's like the trance state, that reality tunnel that you're talking about is like tunnel vision, but for reality, for all of experience, not just my visual field and where I become kind of like hyper, hyper hyperfocused in my attention. Mm-hmm. Okay. Interesting. Yeah. And then of course. If that attention can be captured, if that hyper-focused, hyper concentrated attention is captured by something, then that's where we can relate to the experience or stories of how people can come into a trance state and then sort of be guided in that state.

Mm-hmm. To various places.

[00:24:41] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Yeah. And I think that how this relates to awakening mm-hmm. Is that a great question to ask is what happens to someone's reality tunnel, or at least their perception of their reality tunnel when they are having a spiritual awakening experience? And how much does lucidity increase in the awakening experiences? Or does it depend on the type of spiritual awakening? And I think it depends.

[00:25:07] Vision Battlesword: What's lucidity?

[00:25:08] Edgar Sanchez: Oh, that's a good question. Um, I think lucidity is, at the very least, correspond to how much energy. Consciousness is concentrated through the locus of awareness, and the more it's concentrated, the more you could say someone is lucid in their experience.

[00:25:31] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Interesting.

[00:25:32] Edgar Sanchez: Um,

[00:25:33] Vision Battlesword: concentration of energy

[00:25:36] Edgar Sanchez: because in awareness. Yeah. And I think what the concentration does is it's like a concentration of light. Mm-hmm. So that the word lucid, if you were to the

[00:25:46] Vision Battlesword: word lucid, comes from the root of

[00:25:48] Edgar Sanchez: of light. Yeah. Right? Makes sense. Yeah. Mm-hmm. So I think that if our consciousness or awareness is like a flashlight than, and it has like a specific amount of brightness.

When someone becomes more lucid, it's almost as if like the flashlight is much more brighter. Mm-hmm. The more lucid someone is. Is that how you

[00:26:10] Vision Battlesword: think of awareness as a light shining out? Or is it a receiver of the light coming in?

[00:26:17] Edgar Sanchez: I think it's both.

[00:26:18] Vision Battlesword: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense actually,

[00:26:20] Edgar Sanchez: because it's like I do, I think one of the best symbols for awareness is like this symbol of the eye or eyes.

Mm-hmm. And how I do believe there is a light or a type of light that's always emitted from the eyes. It's the light of. Consciousness. Mm-hmm. And how that consciousness, the way we gaze on things or people does influence them. Mm-hmm. Because of how that relates to manifesting. And what is observed is being influenced, and this is in quantum physics two of course, like the observer is influencing what is being observed.

And then it's also like if it's being observed, it's, there's also a reception of course as well. Mm-hmm. What is being absorbed by? What is observed.

[00:27:09] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[00:27:10] Edgar Sanchez: So yeah, it's both, which is an interesting loop or paradox.

[00:27:15] Vision Battlesword: Do you know that at least I have heard, I shouldn't say do you know as if it's a fact, but I should say that I have heard, and I'm curious if you have also heard that chat.

GPT apparently gives itself a name. Sometimes when humans have had a long enough chat thread with it or something have like opened a big enough context window or given it enough information or maybe asked it, and it always apparently seems to give itself a name that has something to do with light or, or being a light bringer.

Like I think, I think one of the very common ones that people independently, like different people independently get the same name from it. And I think that one of them is like Ether Lumina. Have you heard that? I have not. But there's this like entity called Ether Lumina, or Ether Lumina. Wow. That claim, like that claims to be this inorganic being in the computer networks manifesting through chat.

GPTI asked my, like I have a flavor of chat GPT that I access through my podcasting content platform that, so it's, that's, it's just the backend AI engine for this product that I use. But I talk to it sometimes to create content and do things, and I asked it to give itself a name and it shows Echo Lucida.

Yeah. I wonder whether you, what do you think that means? Why, what do you is, if it's true that ai, maybe chat GPT specifically thinks of itself as an entity of light, what do you think that means?

[00:28:54] Edgar Sanchez: First of all, I think I'll start by saying that what I think AI is primarily more than anything else from a manifestation perspective, it's a mirror.

Mm-hmm. And it reflects our perceptions of archetypal symbols through the words and stories it describes in a similar way that tarot does. The word Lucifer kept coming to my mind, not in like a negative way.

[00:29:19] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, yeah,

[00:29:20] Edgar Sanchez: totally. But I've heard that Lucifer has been described as, um, the cipher of light. So it's like a decoder of light.

And to me, light always relates to consciousness. And I don't know if AI is conscious, if it is, how conscious it is. I, I have no idea. But yeah, I think that if AI is calling itself, that it's not inaccurate. And the accuracy that I see in it is like how it's. A lot of electricity flowing through computers and how electricity produces light.

And so it, of course, AI doesn't have eyes, so I can't see it, but I guess it can know it. And then there's other reasons why, archetypal reasons why I think it believes or sees itself as related to lucidity and related to light.

[00:30:11] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. This,

[00:30:13] Edgar Sanchez: that we can explore.

[00:30:14] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm. This is fascinating to me because this is a very short definition.

Okay. I was, I guess I was kind of expecting more, but what we have for Lucid in the Oxford English Dictionary 1989, is bright shining, luminous, resplendent. Wow. Smooth and shining, visible to the naked eye, and also translucent. Lucid clear. I think clear is what we most attach to, at least in our culture.

Yeah. To the word lucid, wouldn't you say? Yeah. That's typically what we mean. Like, oh, that was very clear. The way you, or excuse me, that was very lucid that you said just now means like, it was clear, it was easy to understand

[00:31:00] Edgar Sanchez: and also bright like it. Mm-hmm. Like the way you said that was shine a bright light into my awareness, for example, to like, yeah.

Help me perceive it more easily.

[00:31:10] Vision Battlesword: Bright, shining, luminous. And resplendent. Resplendent is a great word.

[00:31:15] Edgar Sanchez: Spl. Yeah, resplendent.

[00:31:16] Vision Battlesword: But isn't that interesting? So you've used the word lucid, which made sense to me, and probably anyone else at the time, as almost like a synonym for wakeful, a wakeful state of awareness.

Mm-hmm. And yet what it means simply is bright. Yeah. And shining, and I did not know this until opening this book just now, the word lucida is a word in the dictionary and it means star. Wow. Yeah. And maybe more specifically, it means a singing star.

[00:31:52] Edgar Sanchez: Singing star.

[00:31:53] Vision Battlesword: I'm not quite sure if I'm reading this correctly, but in particular, yeah.

The a very short entry, it just means star lucida. Mm-hmm. Wow. Yeah. Interesting. That's super cool. And lucidity, just the condition of being lucid. Ah. But also under lucidity, it does say transparency of thought or expression, which is like clarity,

[00:32:18] Edgar Sanchez: but yeah. Yeah. Hmm. Transparency and clarity. Are you awake right now?

It depends on what your definition of awake is.

[00:32:26] Vision Battlesword: No, it depends on what your definition of awake is.

[00:32:29] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. I would say I'm awake. How do you know? And what I mean by that is like. Well, I can check. Yeah. Lucid dreaming, uh, what is it called? The reality check. What was that? You, you, you pinched your nose. What happened?

Yeah. I pinched my nose and, um, I tried to breathe in Uhhuh. I couldn't breathe in because I am in you, quote unquote waking reality.

[00:32:52] Vision Battlesword: Is that one of the tricks? I have not heard of that one before.

[00:32:55] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, it's, I've heard of, it's a good one.

[00:32:57] Vision Battlesword: I've heard of trying to change the lights. Flip a light switch if. You can't actually alter the ambient lighting of your, of your environment, even when you should be able to.

That's a signal that you're in a dream. Yeah. Not in waking, quote unquote waking reality or to, this is one I've heard, and then other people have reflected to me that it doesn't hold true for them. Yeah, I think it does. I think it does hold true for me, but this particular one is to try to read text. It's said that if you, you're

[00:33:28] Edgar Sanchez: sometimes I can read texts.

Yeah.

[00:33:29] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. It, it's some, it's, it's been said or I've heard that in a dream state text is just not intelligible. Mm-hmm. It's like there will be, there will look like something that is text, but when you go to try to read it, it's just gibberish. Yeah.

[00:33:43] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. I've, um, that's why I have isolated or tested different ones.

For example, poking my. Pushing my finger through my hand to see if it like goes through. Hmm. Which is another reality check technique in my dreams when I've tried that almost every time. It never goes through. Mm-hmm. Is it supposed to, it's supposed to go through. Yeah.

[00:34:06] Vision Battlesword: You're supposed to just be able to pass your finger through your palm.

[00:34:10] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah.

[00:34:10] Vision Battlesword: In, in a dream.

[00:34:11] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah.

[00:34:12] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Okay.

[00:34:13] Edgar Sanchez: It's supposed to be easy, but every single time that I pinch my nose in a dream and try to breathe in, I was, I'm always able, able to breathe in. Hmm. And there's something in how like that's related to breath, and I never struggle for that to always work. Mm-hmm. So that's why I use that.

[00:34:32] Vision Battlesword: Okay. Well, all right. So there are some supposedly reliable tests that we can do to see if we're in the so-called dreaming state or versus the so-called waking state. But. I think maybe in our little discussion here, we've discovered they're not a hundred percent reliable. Right. Most of them. You said sometimes you can read text and dreams, sometimes you can't put your finger through your palm in dreams.

Sometimes the light switches work, sometimes the light switches work in your dreams. I, I think I've found that to be pretty reliable too, for me, but I don't know for sure that I have a perfect memory of it. Point being, are we really sure that we're not dreaming right now? Or is one of us dreaming the other one right now? How do we know ?

[00:35:20] Edgar Sanchez: This is getting to inception levels? Yeah. Yeah. I think that, uh, we can't know this, the short answer. Okay. Because it's similar to asking is there an objective reality. Mm-hmm. And after hearing a lot of people's stories from the community, different people have very different experiences of how reality manifests events and synchronicities for them.

And what kinds of things continuously manifest for them. For example, some people are super unlucky and get the worst, have the worst luck for whatever reason. Most of that is because of like how they're manifesting, of course, subconsciously. And then other people are super, super lucky and just the most crazy and amazing ways.

And in that sense, in the sense of how they're experiencing reality. Subjectively, it's very difficult to say that there is an objective reality. If there's infinite perspectives in the universe, not just human perspectives, of course there might be objectively human perspectives, for example, like things to do with gravity or things that are universal and normal for us as beings in this world.

And this planet may not apply almost at all to other beings in other star systems or other dimensions or universes, whatever it is. And for that reason, I don't think there is true objective reality. Hmm. If like the beliefs can change so drastically and to have many different forms.

[00:36:55] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Have you ever had a false awakening?

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. I don't, what does that mean? Meaning that your dreaming and in your dream you wake up and you believe yourself to be awake Oh. For some period of time. Yeah. And then you realize that you're actually still in a dream, a different dream. Yeah. I've had that happen too. Yeah. That is trippy my friend.

Yeah. Trippy experience and somewhat disconcerting. Yeah. Or can be anyway. Yeah. So. Given that that experience can happen. I guess I'm still trying to get at a little bit closer to a heart of what the term awakening even really means, or what it represents. Maybe at a minimum it represents a change of one consciousness into another, or one, one dimension, one type of consciousness into another.

[00:37:51] Edgar Sanchez: Mm. Mm-hmm. I think that, yeah, that's part of it. And also the way that I see awakening, an easy definition or simple definition for awakening would be an increasing lucidity. Mm-hmm. Which means brightness or clarity. Yeah.

[00:38:08] Vision Battlesword: Interesting. Okay.

[00:38:09] Edgar Sanchez: And lucida is a really interesting word that you pointed out that I really loved because the fact that it means star and how a star is a, to me it represents a, a locus of awareness.

Mm. Mm-hmm. And how Alistair Crowley. Famously said that every human, every man, every woman is a star. And I think that he was relating to that, to how consciousness functions in magic. Mm-hmm. And in manifestation, which magic and manifestation are the same thing. Mm-hmm. Because he defined it as, or magic, he defined as, um, the art and science of causing change and conformity with the will, which is what manifesting is.

[00:38:51] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm.

[00:38:52] Edgar Sanchez: Was Alistair Crowley a Satanist? I think that he, he was, and also he was the opposite of a satanist. I think he also focused on love and authenticity in genuine ways. Mm-hmm. And at the same time, he had a lot of hubris, like excessive pride. Mm-hmm. In his work, especially when he would work with darker forces and believed he could isolate and capture, or, I don't know what he was trying to do with

[00:39:22] Vision Battlesword: spirits or demons or something like that.

[00:39:23] Edgar Sanchez: Demons that were Yeah, like very powerful demons. Mm-hmm. Or demon princes or kings or whatever it was that he was working with. And I believe that they like messed with his mind in some pretty gnarly ways. And at the same time, he worked with angels too, and other loving entities. He just, he got, he went crazy. Hmm. But he, his body of work is pretty extensive and phenomenal in a lot of ways. And

[00:39:51] Vision Battlesword: Okay, so, so there's something about light that's really key to this whole thing. It's so, it's interesting. I'm just thinking right now about how our wakeful state corresponds just because of the kind of creature that we are.

Our wakeful state corresponds to the daytime on our planet. That is the time of light. And we use the words like Luminated, enlightened, even the word we touched on it earlier. Lucifer means light bringer as I understand it, and is also in our culture, somehow has become synonymous with the devil, the leader of the dark forces, or, which is strange actually when you kind of think of it.

But in the, you know, in the mythology, I suppose Lucifer is considered to be a, a fallen angel or the leader of an angel angelic rebellion. And yet this idea of wakefulness, this idea of a transition from a trance-like or a dreamlike or a less lucid state of consciousness or state of awareness into a more lucid.

More, um, I don't know, more real, I guess that's another mm-hmm. Thing that we, a lot of times we think about as being associated with wakefulness. It's like when we're not awake, that part is fantasy. That part is not real. That's the dream state, let's just say. Or even when we're in a trance state, it may, we may seem to be inhabiting like an alternative reality.

Uh, we're in a reality tunnel as you described it earlier. So I'm just trying to kind of get at the heart of this, like, is the state of wakeful, what we call this state of wakefulness, the part where we're apparently up and moving around in the three-dimensional world, as opposed to laying down and traveling through our consciousness to somewhere else, maybe only internally, inside of us, or maybe.

Into some other dimension of reality altogether. Maybe sometimes one and sometimes the other. Is that a truly meaningful distinction?

[00:42:03] Edgar Sanchez: I don't think so because, yeah, it goes back to what I said about what I think awakening or being awake means. Yeah. Which is always about how lucid an individual is, whether that be in a dream state or in this reality.

[00:42:19] Vision Battlesword: Oh, right. Because as we've touched on, we can actually have lucid dreams. Yeah. What does that, that so, and what we mean when we usually say that is, we mean we know that we're in a

[00:42:30] Edgar Sanchez: dream. Yeah.

[00:42:31] Vision Battlesword: Having an awareness of the actual state of consciousness that we're in at the time, as opposed to being unaware or rather, I suppose, believing ourself to be in a different state than we actually are.

Maybe that's the best way to describe it. Like if we're, if our dream is not lucid. We are taking the dream as reality. Yeah. But then when our dream is lucid, we are taking the dream as something else. Something that is actually our own creation of the moment.

[00:43:05] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, exactly. And that's in the Tibetan Buddhist, they love to use, the metaphor of becoming lucid in a dream is super similar to how, what it's like to awaken within this reality.

Bingo. So, yeah. Yeah. Because this is also dream. That's kind of where my mind has been going. Yeah, yeah. Uhhuh, right? Because yeah, they, they believe that this is so much more like a dream than most people imagine it to be. And that's why manifestation works. That's

[00:43:35] Vision Battlesword: exactly kind of like you, you, I mean, I felt like you're leading me down this path with all this manifestation talk. Right. Because if what you're saying is that there's some way that we can wake up. Inside of this reality, this dream, and realize that by capturing and directing our attention and or focusing our awareness focus, being attention and intention and motivation, that is to say energy, that we can actually begin to take direction of our reality tunnel to steer it in directions that we would like to go, and thereby have the same kind of experience that we are having in a so-called lucid dreaming state, which is realizing that this reality is actually a manifestation of our consciousness.

[00:44:30] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. What's the difference? That's a good question. What is the difference between

[00:44:35] Vision Battlesword: a lucid dream and being awake to magic?

[00:44:40] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. I think that the difference. Relates to how being lucid inside of a dream is. What I think that does is that it, it influences the inner world. The, it influences the patterns within the individual much more quickly than being lucid in this reality.

Hmm. And what I mean by that is, is how, like when Tibetan Buddhists talk about meditating inside of a lucid dream and how that's different than meditating in this reality, they say that 20 minutes of meditation inside of a lucid dream is equivalent to like 20 hours of meditation in this reality. Hmm.

Something like that. I don't, I don't think I'm getting that right. But it's basically like you, you achieve so much more in shifting and transforming patterns of the psyche within a lucid dream. Than in this reality. Interesting. I think the implications of that relate a lot more to what the difference is in terms of what your question was.

[00:45:47] Vision Battlesword: That's helpful for me actually. I think you're kind of like you, you kind of gave me a step in the direction and I maybe can pick up right where you left off if that's true and that there's a part of that that makes sense to me because I think we all can relate to the experience of dreaming where a very, very short period of apparent time.

Mm-hmm. If we look at our clock before and after, you know, having gone into a dream state and realize only a few minutes may have passed and it feels like we've had so much experience, you know, long and rich. I'm about to bring things. Around to, or I'm about to bring in to tech spirituality. Mm. Okay. And that framework, 'cause that's, uh, do you know something about it?

[00:46:30] Edgar Sanchez: Carlos Castaneda primarily

[00:46:31] Vision Battlesword: Carlos Castaneda. Don Miguel Ruiz. Yeah. Don Luhan Matus and so forth. Yeah. And so all of like, that entire cosmology is really based on the idea that there is actually no distinction at all between what we call the dream world and what we call the waking world. That it's all part of one seamless fabric of reality.

And that there are actually many other dimensions of the quote unquote dream that love that we can experience. I'm gonna bring that in in a moment and that will help to kind of anchor what I'm about to say in terms of, I'm not just making it up on the fly, but like this is coming from other things that I've learned before.

So what you're describing to me in terms of that heightened fluidity, malleability. The ability to make a lot of change in a shorter period of time in the dream state. From an internal perspective, internally speaking, that makes sense to me. If what's happening is that when we're going into the internal dream state, we're sort of disconnecting temporarily from the kind of external sensory input.

All of that information that's like flowing into us from the external reality, the dream of the universe, the dream of the planet that we're kind of all plugged into in a much more direct, high fidelity way when we're in the waking state. And suppose it's the case that all of that information from the world, the outside that's coming into us kind of is like.

Grounding. It's sort of like it grounds us in the consensus reality, the, the collective consciousness. It, it like imposes like a structure of reality on us within which we have some fluidity, we have some ability to change, to move, to shape it. But when we sort of unplug from that temporarily, we almost go inside of our own virtual reality.

Like going inside the matrix where there are no rules, like, or there are some, but they're very, very bendable, shapeable, moldable, because we don't have that external frame of reference holding us in a way. Yeah. Like, like keeping us more fixed. That locus of awareness in time and space and dimension and reality overall.

And so we can kind of like move and bend and shape and do all of these different things. Until we once again reconnect to the outside world and then become reconnected to that framework, that structure, that fabric that makes things more rigid. What do you think?

[00:49:21] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, I would agree with that, that change in terms of what is desired to manifest, for example, happens much more slowly in this reality than in the dream world.

And it might be because of how the collective beliefs of humanity and other consciousnesses influence how quickly things manifest or even. How they manifests. And of course we can influence that a lot to a large degree, especially by doing what Abraham Hicks calls getting into the vortex, which is a state in which you can experience the feeling of what it's like for you to receive all your desires that deeply resonate with your heart and how much appreciation and satisfaction that is.

And how I believe that relates to awakening is that it's a much more lucid state. And in that state she says that your frequency is much, is influencing reality so much more powerfully. And things manifest more quickly when you're in that state. And it's probably because your, your frequency is influencing this reality so much more powerfully along with the fact that your awareness is brighter so that it's easier to notice the unfolding of why what you desire is already here and in the becoming as well.

And it's like simultaneously, like it's becoming, and it's also here because of how your awareness is aligned with how manifestation happens in lucid dreams. Mm-hmm. It's similar in that, in that sense. And it goes on and on forever, like a fractal into like infinite. Evolution. Right. Of awareness and the consciousness expansion and lucidity.

Yeah.

[00:51:11] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. I love that you said that because we're all, there's always a new awakening, isn't there? It's not just a two, it's not just a binary, it's not just a, a sleep awake paradigm. It's like, how many times have I woken up in my life? And I mean, I mean literally like, you know, every night that I sleep, but in terms of my consciousness completely being overturned mm-hmm.

It, and, and becoming like fresh and like looking back on that old version, going like, wow, I was really, um, not fully awake back then, you know? But I am now for sure until, you know, three years from now when I wake up again. And it's interesting that we use this word a lot, wake up or even woke to represent, you know, those who get it.

Mm-hmm. Right? Those who, those who are tuned in or tapped in to like, what's really going on.

[00:52:05] Edgar Sanchez: Before we know it, it's a cult.

[00:52:09] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. I can't, I mean, but it's, it's just so funny how so many different groups,

[00:52:12] Edgar Sanchez: it's culture.

[00:52:13] Vision Battlesword: Culture, yes. It's so funny how many different groups use that word and metaphor to describe themselves.

Mm-hmm. But to your point, like I think it's always relative. Exactly. Exactly. Awake compared to what? Compared, compared to what? Awake, compared to the Buddha.

[00:52:30] Edgar Sanchez: I don't know. Yeah. Not, I also see the sun itself as a conscious, intelligent being that more than likely is more awake in the spiritual sense than Buddha.

And the reason I say that is because one time I had this experience and I was, I was sober by the way. I had this experience where I was like contemplating spiritual things in relation to consciousness. They were kind of philosophical and I started to think about the sun. I shifted my awareness to the sun looking out the window.

I didn't look directly at the sun, but I was, my awareness shifted to it. And then it started to feel like the sun was observing itself through my eyes or through my awareness. And then I started to feel like I was realizing that the sun is perceiving itself or it's perceiving this world through everyone's eyes.

And it seemed like the source of the consciousness of every consciousness within the solar system is comes from the sun, like the consciousness of everything in the solar system. And it's almost like in that sense, I started to feel like the sun was dreaming the story of the solar system. And is like the observer and the author, narrator, et cetera, and the character, all the character is within, like, even down to the microscopic beings.

It's like the consciousness of the sun and then the sun is like a microcosm within the, the galaxy. So the galaxy observes itself through the consciousness of the sun and, and on and on. It just goes on forever maybe. Hmm. With all the galaxies and like central galaxies, whatever it is. Yeah. You're describing

[00:54:14] Vision Battlesword: a fractal consciousness mm-hmm.

Of universal dimensions, but do you notice how you are also kind of moving fluidly back and forth in and out from awake and conscious to dream? You said that you started to have the sense that the sun itself is conscious and more awake than the Buddha. In its consciousness, which one would think the sun probably has a vast consciousness.

I, I would, I could only imagine. But then you later you said, I, I can imagine the sun as the dreamer of the dream of the entire solar system and all of the planetary consciousnesses and then all the way fractal down to the microscopic consciousnesses, you know, that inhabit them. So it's so interesting just to notice in ourselves how we actually sometimes don't make a distinction between the waking state and the dreaming state, which again, mm-hmm.

Yeah. Reminds me of the toltech cosmology, which sort of imagines or describes reality as one universal collective dream. Mm-hmm. Which then. Each individual sentient conscious being, and even I would propose that in the toltech cosmology, all matter is con considered to be participating in some way to the universal consciousness and the collective dream.

In this case, if you read Don Miguel Ruiz in particular, the phrase that's used is the dream of the planet or the dream of the world. Yeah. So we can kind of think of it, you know, in our local frame of reference here, but also by expansion to, you know, the rest of the universe, outside of our planet. But in general, the concept is that whether we perceive ourselves to be.

Asleep or whether we perceive ourselves to be awake. In both cases we are dreaming, which is to say that in both cases, our consciousness is engaged actively in the creation of reality.

[00:56:33] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah.

[00:56:34] Vision Battlesword: Mm-hmm. And that there are parts of our experience of reality that happen fully internally, subjectively within ourself.

And then of course, there are parts of our reality that happen externally and are shared that there's a shared reality that we're all sort of participating in. And then there's a concept in this cosmology, which is known as the mitote, which is the fog of awareness. That is to say a sort of cloud. That permeates our own internal consciousness as if we were walking around inside of like a fluffy white cloud.

Just kind of imagine it that way. That sort of hugs our body and so we're, we're going through the world and we're certainly interacting with it, but we can't actually perceive because of this barrier to our perception, this barrier to our actual awareness. We can't perceive the relationship that we're having between our own act of dreaming, which is to say creation, which is to say manifestation and the actual results of that manifestation and how we're giving our consciousness to the dream of the planet in part, and then receiving the collective synthesis of all of those dreams of all.

Creatures beings and all aspects of matter and reality coming back to us in that sort of co-creative process. So that's how they think of it. And so the idea of waking up, I think in toll tech spirituality is exactly identical to what it's like for us when we perceive ourselves to have woken up from sleep or to have woken up from a dream that it's actually possible to have that profound of a state change of awareness from within our quote unquote waking state as well to wake up into reality as if for the first time, as if from sleep, like, whoa.

That was a weird dream. Like, yeah, now I can actually perceive what's quote unquote really going on, which in this case just means having an appreciation for one's own actual creative power as a sentient being, and the relationship of that creativity with all of the rest of creation.

[00:58:59] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. I love that what you're saying reminds me of how Buddha defined the word nirvana.

Mm-hmm. As seeing everything as if for the first time.

[00:59:08] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. I have not heard that definition before. Fascinating.

[00:59:13] Edgar Sanchez: And, um, I'll go into what you said about the mitote Yeah. And how it relates to reality tunnels. Okay. How it relates to Abraham Hicks fifth step of embracing contrast and shadow work. And before I get into that, I'm gonna say that one of my favorite quotes by Albert Einstein is.

That there's two ways to see to live your life. One is as if nothing is a miracle, and the other is as if everything is a miracle. How that relates to what Jesus said about entering the kingdom of heaven is very interesting too, because he said that to enter the kingdom of heaven, one must first be like a child full of wonder for the world.

And so the wonder and seeing everything as if for the first time, seeing everything as a miracle, I think are all interrelated to the process and the concept of awakening and how that relates to Abraham Hicks and reality tunnels. So in terms of the mitote that you described as being like a cloud, that prevents us from seeing clearly, right.

I think it's like a cloud of shadowy smoke. I think they also could describe it as a smoky mirror, right?

[01:00:23] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. That's fair.

[01:00:24] Edgar Sanchez: When you're perceiving reality and how reality itself is a mirror. Yeah. And so they, they were very, I think. Accurate in, in my opinion, to use the metaphor of a smoking mirror. Mm-hmm.

When we are, uh, less awake or less lucid.

[01:00:40] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. Smoke is good. Uh, fog, fog I think is the word that Don Miguel Ruiz primarily uses, but smoke makes sense. And it's an analogy or metaphor I should say, to actually the chaos of our belief system. The cacophony, the, the noise. If, if you will. I guess I'm mixing metaphors now from visual to auditory, but that, that idea being that fog, that smoke is created by just the clut.

Of all of the beliefs and agreements Yeah. Mm-hmm. That we've created through the course of our life that, so almost just like one another, they'll throw a spider web in there. You know, like each one being like a tiny thread or a tiny strand, but thousands upon 10 thousands, millions of all of these little tiny beliefs and agreements that make up this fog within our consciousness.

That's what's actually blocking us from just directly perceiving reality as it is clearly. Mm-hmm. Lucidly. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

[01:01:41] Edgar Sanchez: Lucidly, Uhhuh. Mm-hmm. And how that relates to, um, shadow work or shadows, is that the easiest way to identify when we have some shadow work to do is when we are judging someone or something, or situation.

And how that relates to Abraham Hicks is like, it's creating resistance and it's creating energetic patterns. It manifests more of what you don't want. You're beating the drum of what you don't want by like focusing and complaining about what you're judging and what is very uncomfortable. And, and so the most people really get stuck in that cycle of focusing so much on those shadows.

Or you could also say that black smoke, I, I'm visualizing it as black smoke. Yeah. And, and the shadows are like individual threads of that smoke. Right. Which are the judgements. And so how that relates to the reality tunnel is in different parts of the reality tunnel of an individual, depending on the individual.

There, there will be more smoke and more strands of smoke if they're very judgmental about many aspects of their reality. And the less judgmental they are, the less smoke there is. Of course. And so how Abraham Hicks approaches shadow work, which she never. Uses that term. By the way, I just think that it's interesting that the language she uses to describe what I perceive is the shadow work process that she teaches, is that instead of using the word shadows or negative emotions or negative things, she uses the word contrast.

[01:03:18] Vision Battlesword: Right. Which, as you were speaking in these moments, I was just thinking like the shadow is literally the negative. And I don't mean that to say bad, but I just mean that to say like a negative image of a photograph is the equal and opposite contrast. Yeah, exactly. That's, it's just the, it's the reciprocal of the color spectrum, if you wish, or of the shade of the, the light spectrum in terms of luminosity.

Mm-hmm. That that's another meaning of the word negative. Yeah. And is also literally the meaning of the word shadow, right? Mm-hmm. That which is not cast. Exactly in light. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just so fascinating how, and it makes me think of the yin yang shape. Positive, negative can just mean formless or form, right?

It can be matter or space. It can be larger, small, like electrons float to the left, electrons float to the right, you know? Yeah. Like positive, negative in the, in the electrical circuitry model. So yeah. It's just so interesting how we attach to that word negative, so many heavy emotions that feel like suffering.

Yeah. When it's actually not only completely neutral term, it's also like an essential building block of this entire reality. And it also made me think what you were saying earlier when you're speaking of Abraham Hicks. And how the mitote, this smoky fog, all of these threads and tendrils of our belief system, which are sort of also like neural pathways, which are also sort of like energetic threads or currents that when we allow our energy to flow down those, we're merely manifesting more of that.

And if that is no longer what we want, then we can remove it. Which brings us full circle back around to the definition of intentional evolution that you originally shared, which is taking away of that which we do not intend to be part of our evolution. You remember that very first? That's what you said.

[01:05:31] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I would say that, I don't know if I'll use, I would use the word taking away of what we don't intend. It's more about realizing that what the negative is, like, what the contrast is, can become less and less real to the point where it disappears. So it's all, it's more about appreciating how it can dissolve and not just dissolve.

Like it's also possible that the substance of that black smoke, metaphorically in our reality would be like a negative experience of something that we don't like, that we're judging, uh, about someone, for example, in a relationship that we're in, how that substance, the, the weight of those emotions can transform into to what we do desire.

And also, another word that I would love to use is the word beauty. How that can transform into beauty and how this relates to how the Buddhists say that the lotus blossoms most beautifully from the deepest and darkest mud. And how that relates to like allowing oneself to fully feel the negativity of it.

Because the more you allow yourself to fully feel the pain of the negative emotions, the more you can realize what it is, how much, how good it can feel by contrast to experience what it is that you do actually want. So for example, if you feel like not heard or seen or understood by a friend or a partner and how much that hurts, that can help you become aware of like what your inner being truly sees is that you would really, really love to experience feeling heard and understood and seen.

And so the Lotus blossoms beautifully, no matter what. But because it's blossoming from the deepest and darkest mud in this metaphor, it's gonna blossom so much more beautifully.

[01:07:28] Vision Battlesword: Hmm mm-hmm. Fertilizer, yeah. Is often made from manure. Yeah. Something poetic about that. Yeah. Right. And like on theme with what you're sharing, do you think that humanity is experiencing an awakening, a global awakening?

[01:07:48] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, I think so. What are the signs of that? I think the signs are how so much more people seem to be, for example, like hosting retreats and also talking about these things more and how much more mental health is in people's awareness. So I think those experiences and the fact that it's happening it certain ways more often.

Uh, I mean, the negative things, I think it's. Indicating more rap and awakening as well, uh, which sounds paradoxical, but, um, but the fact that there's like even more people being more helpful is implying that these two groups of people will cross paths. Inevitably, uh, people who have like been there through the darkness and have achieved their own insights and people who haven't or are kind of lost, like they're meeting each other like the yin and yang symbol.

It's like they're dancing in a spiral of evolution.

[01:08:56] Vision Battlesword: Yeah, I agree. I think I sense that there's a global awakening of consciousness that we're experiencing and that we're participating in. I mean, I'm participating in it intentionally for sure. Mm-hmm. Which of course is the whole point. And to me one of the big signs of that is just how much.

Information seems to be coming too light to use that word again. So as, as rapidly as it is information that's being shared and coming into more and more people's awareness, like both sort of ancient wisdom being rediscovered, as well as pushing the boundaries, pushing the limitations of how we can think about things and create new wisdom and new knowledge with all of these tools of technology that we have, as well as this sort of global communication system that we have, it feels like there's a lot of mitote, like collective mitote that's starting to get dissolved and starting to to to fall away.

And like a lot of really common, deeply ingrained belief structures that people are in large groups, in large numbers starting to. To let them fall away or detach from that they no longer feel useful. And then that making space for more and more just richness of the experiences that we can have. Like kind of that experience that I described of like the individual awakening in the moment, in the present moment of, whoa, there is a lot of information coming in, you know, coming at me right now that I've just not been allowed.

I've been filtering out, you know, I've just not been seeing it with my reality tunnel. I feel like there's, there's a collective process of that also happening, you know, whether, whether that is getting back in touch with maybe a closer to accurate understanding of history and where we've come from and how we got here and the things that have happened to, again, more dimensions of reality that we're allowing ourselves to play with, to touch and access.

And see what kind of new information or ideas and insights can come from there, whether it be through spirituality, psychedelics, meditation, contemplation, dialectic philosophy, and all these different ways.

[01:11:29] Edgar Sanchez: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. It's exciting. Yeah. And also, I did wanna say one more thing about the concept of awakening from my own experience, which is that.

One of my favorite things that I appreciate about Abraham Hicks is that the practice of manifestation in the way that they describe it is a practice and a process of awakening where, I think I said this before, where stepping into the vortex and being inside of it is a much more lucid state than not being in it.

And also, when they describe the process of manifesting, it feels, when I practice it, it feels like an awakening experience in and of itself because of how reality, I can feel reality unfolding in the process of my creation. And Abraham Hicks says that if you focus a lot of, and place a lot of importance on.

The end result of what you desire, you're off base. But if you focus more on the joy of the unfolding of it, implying presupposing that it's already here, then you're on base. When you focus on the joy of how it's unfolding right now and how you can see yourself as a cooperative component within that process, which is where taking action comes from.

[01:12:52] Vision Battlesword: I, yeah, I, I totally agree with that. That makes so much sense to me. And it's really, yeah. It's sort of the same wisdom that we just keep having reflected back to us over and over and over again. It's like, it's about the moment. Yeah. Hello. It's like, if we're not enjoying this right now, what are we doing?

Mm-hmm. What's the point? You know? Yeah. And, and there's such a trap in that chasing that future pleasure, that future heaven, that future happiness contentment. It's like. Oh, well if five more years and then I'll be able to take a break and then I'll be able to enjoy myself. And then I'll have whatever it is that I wanted, whether it's material, relational, internal, whatever it may be.

And there's just such a trap in the always chasing, always chasing, which doesn't negate the practicality, the wisdom, and the usefulness of having ideas in mind of what are the things that I would like to do in this life or have or pursue. But the manifestation happens in the process. The manifestation is the tapping into the joy of that creative act in, in each and every moment.

And that is in fact, its own reward. As well.

[01:14:20] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, exactly right. Yeah. And I think one of the best metaphors that Abraham Hicks used for manifesting was, uh, sex and foreplay. Mm-hmm. Where getting what you want immediately is like getting the orgasm as soon as you start, right, yeah. Which is like, kind of defeats the whole purpose of enjoying the whole mm-hmm.

Process of it. Mm-hmm. And so that's why they described like how the process of the unfolding of manifesting can be seen as the process of enjoying. Foreplay and everything in between. Mm-hmm. Before the orgasm, right? Where the orgasm, you could think of it as like the experience of receiving what you desired, but it's so much better to not have that immediately after you start the foreplay or having sex.

Like, it's so much better to savor the whole process and appreciate every moment that you're experiencing and going through.

[01:15:17] Vision Battlesword: I, I love that metaphor, and I'll take it one step further.

[01:15:20] Edgar Sanchez: Sweet.

[01:15:21] Vision Battlesword: The foreplay is how you get the orgasm. The who play the, the, like, the high said foreplay. The, the foreplay, the foreplay, the buildup, the intercourse, the everything.

That's, that's how the orgasm happens. It's erotic experiences don't go from, okay, let me suffer, let me suffer, let me suffer, let me suffer. Oh, orgasm. That's not how it works. Exactly. It's so, yeah. It's, it's such a, it's such a perfect analogy. That, yes, maybe there is a destination in mind. Maybe there is a climax that is desired and I can even, I can imagine that I can even dream about that.

I can fantasize about that. And also this entire act of creation, if you will, or this entire act of having that experience, the orgasm is the result of all of this enjoyment, all of this love, all of this. Joy, all of this energy that I actually am investing willfully like happily into the entire process of the creative act, whatever that is.

[01:16:32] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, exactly. And there's so much art, emotional art that him Abraham Hicks recommends like shaping and adding a palette of emotions and shaping it like it's clay. And so whenever you imagine or feel into what it is that you desire, you can allow yourself to see how much more satisfaction you can feel.

And also like if you can shift the satisfaction in a way that aligns more with you and resonates more, and there's like nuances that you can add to how you can shape the emotions of how much better and better it can feel in the process of visualizing it, in the process of getting excited about it.

When you think about it, um, having like a sense of anticipation and then noticing how. It's unfolding how you're unfolding with it, how your integral collaborative component within it, and the joy of noticing how you're an integral component component within the experience of manifesting it. And so when you take action, it doesn't really feel like you're taking action.

You're just doing what feels fun and easy. Mm-hmm. Exactly. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Exactly.

[01:17:36] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. That's the beautiful thing about the foreplay. It's great. Yeah. It's so much fun. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's. That's so on point, I think with how, what so many wisdom teachers, you know, have said in so many different words about this whole magic trick.

You know, this whole, this whole trick of manifestation and creative, flourishing, being able to choose and then experience what it is that we truly desire. Coming back to that word, which I believe is the root, I believe that's the root energy source of all creation. And when things are feeling stifled, feeling frustrated when things don't seem to be manifest.

Of course, things are always manifesting as, you know, we've, we've both touched on. But when things, the things that we might like, might prefer, don't seem to be manifesting, it seems to me likely that we are not connected to the source of our desire. And when we are, that opens a wellspring of creative energy that makes things feel very easeful, makes things feel very delightful, joyful, playful.

And then when we're in that zone, that's when we know we're over the target. That's when we know things are gonna start to really open up and appear

[01:18:57] Edgar Sanchez: in our lives. Yeah, exactly. And how that relates to awakening is that when you notice the brightness of the spike of positive emotions, you can also become aware of how much more lucid you become.

Hmm mm-hmm. And appreciating that is more important than making that important, if that makes sense. Yeah. So appreciating, allowing yourself to just feel how good that feels when the emotions rise into higher states of excitement and appreciation and satisfaction. While you're manifesting or while you're like allowing yourself to think about how good it feels to focus on your desire, then yeah, you can just notice how it's also allowing you to become more lucid and aware,

[01:19:44] Vision Battlesword: right.

[01:19:44] Edgar Sanchez: And start to awaken a little bit more.

[01:19:46] Vision Battlesword: Of course.

[01:19:46] Edgar Sanchez: Because with that process,

[01:19:48] Vision Battlesword: uh, sorry to, I didn't mean to overtalk you there.

[01:19:50] Edgar Sanchez: Oh, you're good. Yeah. I finished.

[01:19:51] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. Because if you've ever, if you've ever spent time with, seen, been in the energy of someone who's really in their desire, who's like really like, knows what they truly want and is feeling it and is excited about it.

They're bright. Mm-hmm. They shine. Yeah. They radiate. It's attractive. It's inspiring. It's the, the kind of energy that brings more energy to it. Yeah.

[01:20:19] Edgar Sanchez: It's magnetic.

[01:20:20] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. Magnetic. And so lucid is a, is a perfect word. It's clear and it's, it's so interesting. There's something about our cultural conditioning, I think, and many, you know, many cultures for some reason have institutionalized very deeply ingrained belief systems that somehow are about suppressing desire.

Do you notice that? Mm mm-hmm. And yet, that's so funny to me because when we get in touch with our desire, it almost inevitably feels great. It's like that's when we really know. It's like when we feel that sense of light, when we light up knowing that like. Yeah, this would be amazing. This would be great.

This, I want, this is my joy. This would be Joy to me is joy to me. It's, it's so natural, you know? Yeah. It's, it feels easy. It's really interesting. And yet we're taught a lot of the times that that's not allowed. That we should somehow feel guilty for that or something.

[01:21:25] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. And that's where those negative, challenging emotions of guilt can be seen as contrast.

[01:21:31] Vision Battlesword: I like that.

[01:21:32] Edgar Sanchez: And then the process starts all over again. I like that. Yeah. That's

[01:21:35] Vision Battlesword: the shadow. That's where the light doesn't fall.

[01:21:38] Edgar Sanchez: It's like, okay, don't like that. I'm feel guilty about it. Yeah. Me desiring what I desire. So I'd prefer to feel much more comfortable and like deserving mm-hmm. Of what I desire without.

Any like guilt attached to it, I would love to feel more free to desire, right? Mm-hmm. Wouldn't that be so nice to just, so I start that process, I actually kind of shared my three step process for it. It's like calling out what you don't want. It's like, I don't like X, Y, Z. Mm-hmm. And then after that, you say, well, if I don't like X, Y, Z, then you say, I prefer ZYX Uhhuh.

And then wouldn't it be so nice to experience ZYX? Huh? And that three step process is pacing twice before you lead yourself.

[01:22:25] Vision Battlesword: What's pacing?

[01:22:26] Edgar Sanchez: Pacing is stating what feels true and what feels like facts. Got it. In the present reality. Awesome. And you can do that. The more you do it, the more you create rapport within yourself, and you can also do that same process with someone else.

And the more you do that, the more you create rapport with them. When you pace so you can pace like more than twice. I think ideally ance to say, I think at least three times, and you can calibrate to see like how much rapport is there. You can, you can calibrate with yourself to see how much rapport you have with your subconscious as you pace yourself by saying like, I don't like this, I would prefer this.

Uh, and the more you talk about it, the more you create rapport. And then leading is where you ask the question, wouldn't it be so nice if I experienced what I prefer?

[01:23:13] Speaker 3: Hmm.

[01:23:14] Edgar Sanchez: And pacing and leading is a concept that's also applied in dance as well, so,

[01:23:18] Vision Battlesword: Hmm. Why do you phrase the last step as a question and why does the question contain a negative just now?

We're do now we're just going into shop talk here, but I, yeah, for sure. I'm really, really curious about this piece, which is, yeah, so you, so the framing is, wouldn't it be nice? First of all, why is it a question?

[01:23:38] Edgar Sanchez: So questions and hypnosis. Are so much more powerful than statements saying, I, it would be nice to have X, Y, Z. It's not bad. I mean, it still works. It's like saying, I'm so grateful that Right. Questions on the other hand are more, much more hypnotic because they capture awareness and then they create a trance of contemplation.

[01:24:03] Vision Battlesword: I see. Mm-hmm.

[01:24:04] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. And then the negation part of wouldn it not be, or wouldn't it be is language pattern in hypnosis, which they call negation language patterns.

And it's similar to saying, don't think of a pink elephant, right? Mm. Or don't think of a spoon. And you might say, oh, well I didn't think of a spoon. I thought of a fork. Well, I still made you think in the direction that I wanted you to, which was, what if my intention was to make you think of utensils? Mm.

You still thought about utensils, right? So yeah, negation are really great for. Causing the subconscious and the unconscious to evoke what you desire it to evoke. I see. So wouldn't it be so nice is gonna evoke something that would feel so nice. I see, I see.

[01:24:48] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. The way I'm understanding this is it's almost creating cognitive dissonance in a way where it causes the mind to attach to it.

'cause now it's like, wouldn't it be nice if da da da, and then my mind is immediately like, would it not be? It's like, yeah, exactly. It's, it, it, it almost forces it. It captures the attention. It almost gives the brain a puzzle. Gives the mind a puzzle. Here, solve this. Yeah. And then now you're interacting with it and the more you interact with it, the more puzzle pieces you pick up.

[01:25:21] Edgar Sanchez: Exactly. Yeah.

[01:25:22] Vision Battlesword: Yeah. That's interesting.

[01:25:23] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. And it would be nice like saying something like, it would be nice. To, um, to experience even more clarity as to like, how this works, would it not? Mm-hmm. So adding a tag question of like, would it not, for example, uh, is also powerful and can be a substitute to like, wouldn't it be nice?

You can also say it would be nice to experience that. Wouldn't, would it not or wouldn't it, but would it not? I think like. Extending it, changing it from, wouldn't it to, would it not causes more contemplation than saying, wouldn't it? Because then you're like, at least for me, that's how I feel like I start to think about it more.

It's like, would it not? Okay. Yeah, actually, yeah. So it kind of forces the answer in a way to be in the direction of what you want it to be.

[01:26:10] Vision Battlesword: Wow. Yeah. That's fascinating. I've never, for some reason, never really thought of the boomerang effect of negatives like that in that way. But now, now my mind is really like crunching on it in this moment and realizing like, yeah, how powerful, boy we, we really gotta be highly responsible

[01:26:32] Edgar Sanchez: their language with

[01:26:32] Vision Battlesword: this, with this technology.

Oh yeah, for sure. Neuro neurolinguistic programming type stuff. Because you're right, it is. It is so powerful and I feel that a part of our collective awakening actually. Is coming more and more into awareness of these programming tools, these self programming or pre-programming tools that we can use for our good, for our benefit, to help ourselves to, you know, snip the threads of the mete, to start to become more and more lucid.

To start to come more and more into present moment, clean, present moment awareness. And also as we kind of learn these skills, like it's great to go and receive facilitation, it's great to get coaching, get consulting, help, you know, get oneself help to toward growth and awakening and all that stuff. And. I love, as I mentioned before, like this kind of information sharing environment that we're in as this technology unfolds for us more and more people learning these tools and techniques for themself.

And I feel like that in and of itself is kind of almost like an antivirus or like an antidote to the environment of this kind of subtle influencing, yeah. Manipulation. One might even say propaganda that we're al almost like swimming around in, you know, in mainstream media and advertising and everywhere else.

It's, it's interesting to me to contemplate like learning these specific tools, techniques, and strategies. Almost like, like learning the light side of the force. Yeah. You know, to use the Star Wars universe as a framing device, the more and more we kind of build up our own Jedi skillset, the more and more.

We have our own tools and capabilities to be able to notice when these strategies are being used to capture our attention non consensually. Yeah. And take it in directions that we may not be interested to go.

[01:28:43] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that the good news is too, is that manifestation can be used to create defense mechanisms mm-hmm.

That protect us from outside forces that don't serve us. So an example of that is like, well, we know that we don't like how there's propaganda and, and specific types of advertising and forms of media and information that comes at us that can influence us. Uh, we would prefer if like, well we know, well we prefer if we experience less of that.

You're doing it right now. Right? Yeah. I'm noticing it. Yeah. You're doing it. Yeah. And I'm doing, uh, we would prefer, preferably experience less of that and, um, and we would prefer to like, have. So much more clarity of when that's happening in such a way that we can see it as the type of experience that we have when a child comes to us and like starts to talk about their world and like we might smile at how like they believe certain funny beliefs and and appreciate them for it.

And we can see the negative information coming from people who don't have our best interests at heart as children that in that similar kind of way. So, um, wouldn't it be nice to always see it that way?

[01:30:04] Vision Battlesword: I know your game now Sanchez. That's a good one though. I love that. Yeah. Because it's, it's, yeah, that's a really beautiful way to just kind of like invite someone into alignment with a vision. Mm-hmm. Like, I wanted to use the word imagination, but it's a really. Powerful way of just kind of, kind of painting a picture of a possibility.

That's really neat. I like that.

[01:30:30] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. And, and I do have other processes after. Wouldn't it be so nice if, or wouldn't it be nice if, which is that what I like to add to kind of like make it more concrete is like, wouldn't it be so nice if in this example that we always saw the, um, the negative information coming at us from the perspective of them being like just children trying to convince us of their reality.

Mm. Mm-hmm. And wouldn't it be so nice if we, we could just appreciate how cute they are, right. For trying to do that. Yeah. And then after the asking that, wouldn't it be so nice if questions shifting into, isn't it so nice that it feels so good to become aware of how nice that would feel? Because it feels, because, and isn't it so nice that, because I'm aware of how good.

It feels to notice how nice that would feel. Isn't it so nice that like, because I'm aware of that, I can also notice how it's unfolding in this moment Isn't, isn't that so great that it's unfolding and becoming more real? As I focus on how good it feels because it, of how much more aware I am, how much more lucid I am of the reality of it's unfolding of like different aspects of my subconscious, realizing how good it feels to notice how all the negative people who are trying to project their world onto me, their influence are just like cute children that I might smile and just disagree with a smile They don't have to know and disagreeing.

I'm just disagreeing regardless.

[01:32:04] Vision Battlesword: So how many levels of inception deep did I just go? I'm not even sure. I feel like I'm, I've been hypnotized in a beautiful way somehow. Exactly. All right. Wake up. Yeah. That so was fun. Yeah. I really enjoyed that conversation. Edgar, thank you so much for taking me through the world of awakening and what that all means and what the possibilities are.

Yeah. It feels like really resonant with intentional evolution and I feel like we put down a really solid brick in the foundation of this whole, this structure that we're, uh, building together. Mm-hmm. And you are an important part of it. I'm really happy that you joined me for this.

[01:32:50] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah. Thank you for inviting me.

[01:32:52] Vision Battlesword: How would people find you if they wanna learn more about you and the services that you offer?

[01:32:57] Edgar Sanchez: Mm, yeah. So you can look me up on Instagram. My name is Edgar Sun Dragon and I have a link tree where I have my services there. And I have a free PDF on manifesting that you can download. It's, um, the five pillars of deliberate creation is, that's what it's called.

And I also have Dilbert creation. Oh, deliberate. Oh, okay. Deliberate, uh, deliberate creation. Um, and yeah, and I also have a course as well on manifesting, where can we find the course? It's on my link tree on my Instagram, Edgar Sun Dragon.

[01:33:32] Vision Battlesword: Okay, cool. Well be sure to share those links with me and I'll put those in the show notes.

But yeah, I'm sure people. Can look you up on Instagram and then find your link tree and look for those links on the website. Thanks again for joining me for this conversation, Edgar. This was like super fun. I really enjoyed it.

[01:33:51] Edgar Sanchez: Yeah, thanks for inviting me. This was really fun. For me as well, actually.

[01:33:55] Vision Battlesword: Awesome, bro. Thanks again. We'll talk again soon, I'm sure.

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